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College debt is silly now. People do suffer for it. However, making it free for all seems like it will only create other problems like more useless degrees.

 

A refocus on trade schools and apprenticeships would be a great idea. Afterall, the US infrastructure, and blue collar fields are hurting for quality. It would increase quality as well as create a sustainable work force. In short, college shouldn't be forced on all people like it is today. For some? Yes. For most? No. That mentality clearly doesn't work.

 

Decreased enrollment would lighten the load on tax payers should it be free and it would be more reasonable to small government folks.



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GOWTLOZ said:
Rab said:

She triggers the establishment republicans and democrats no end, she will be big maybe even president one day as today's young emerge into politics   

Yeah by taxing the rich 70%. No I don't think so. If she does get elected and follows through with her demands, the US economy will be in shambles.

Well that's twisting the facts nicely, that hypothetical 70% was mentioned only for any income over 10 million in that year, the first 10 million would be taxed normally 

I personally don't see why the super Rich shouldn't contribute far more to a society they are clearly benefiting from 



Victorlink87 said:

Hello all! I have been a lurker on this site for years. Generally love the conversations as they are very insightful. I never thought a political post is what would drag me out of the shadows, but I just cannot be quiet here.

Cortez liking Smash is awesome as long as it isnt pandering.

 

I view her tax bracket additions as a mistake, but if they happen it would be ok because taxation almost never drives economy, but it can kill it. However, it seems as though neither side here knows how the brackets currently work. Lets say I recieve a check for $2,000. I would be taxed 15% by the federal government. Now, lets say my next is $2,500 it would then be 20%. (Not actual numbers just an example).  So, under the US' current system of taxation when someone reached $10,000,001 the full amount would be taxed 70%, which wouldn't include Social Security, State income, county, city, medicare, etc. Where does it stop? 80%? Under Eisenhower it was 70%, but the wealthy ended up only paying 47ish% by using breaks and loop holes. 

 

Today: Top 1% pays 39.48% of the income tax in the US. Top 10% pays 70.88%. While they also provide the vast majority of the wages for the middle and lower classes in the US. Seems to me that if you kept the current system and erased all loop holes and breaks the government would raise exponentially more in taxes. But alas that would mean congress pays its fair share (80% of the US' millionaires are in Congress).

 

Lastly, socialism. It sucks. No, the government's being pointed to in this thread in the EU are not socialist economies. Very large governments? yes, socialist countries? Hell no.

 

Anyway, hate that my first post was here. I look forward to happier posts.

Welcome to the site!

Metallox said:
jason1637 said: 

I'm not taking any college debt. If you work hard to get a scholarship then college is pretty affordable.

If you're working 3 jobs you're doing something wrong. It's not a billionaire fauly.

You're not but plenty of people are, this is a topic that is nonexistant in other countries, and the matter of having to deal with 2 or more jobs is real, too. 

I mean, I don't even support Ocasio-Cortez, the woman speaks nonsense sometimes, but it's equally delusional to think that if you're having a rough time in life it must always be your own fault. 

People are living with debt but it pays for itself if you plan ahead. Also if you work hard in HS you can get a scholarship and won't have to pay much. For me I got 1/3rd off my tution so my parents only pay 25k which is pretty good.

if someone is working 2 or even 3 jobs yeah its not always their fault. Teachers don't get payed a lot so they work 2/3 jobs. But sometimes its the persons fault that they are put in a position that they have to work so many jobs.



Spike0503 said:
I despise socialism and the people spouting it as the next great thing. I hope she doesn't manage to do any harm with her ideology.

You despise more equality?

Democratic Socialism has been around a very long time in the highly economically efficient Northern European countries and it as made them better in almost all indicators of social equality than the US  



Rab said:
GOWTLOZ said:

Yeah by taxing the rich 70%. No I don't think so. If she does get elected and follows through with her demands, the US economy will be in shambles.

Well that's twisting the facts nicely, that hypothetical 70% was mentioned only for any income over 10 million in that year, the first 10 million would be taxed normally 

I personally don't see why the super Rich shouldn't contribute far more to a society they are clearly benefiting from 

They already contribute far more even though they use breaks and not including the income they provide to others. I just dont see why they should be punished for being wildly successful.

 

If I were ever clever enough and had the esources to make 10 mil I would stop at $9,999,999.99 just to be a troll to the government. The rest would be fed into my business and not taken as income.



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CaptainExplosion said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Insult to smash.

I take it you voted for the orange Klansman who kidnaps Hispanic children and lets them get molested?

No, I voted Democrat during the midterms last year. I didn't vote in the 2016 presidential election though as I found both options to be shit. 

Edit: But I would generally say I'm center-right. 

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Rab said:
Spike0503 said:
I despise socialism and the people spouting it as the next great thing. I hope she doesn't manage to do any harm with her ideology.

You despise more equality?

Democratic Socialism has been around a very long time in the highly economically efficient Northern European countries and it as made them better in almost all indicators of social equality than the US  

They have generally always had more social equality than the US because they deal with far fewer differences in race, religion, culture, etc. 

 

Those northern countries also enjoy a free market based  on the voluntary paying for services rendered at prices determined by the marker and business aka capitalism. Lots of socialistic government programs though. Which is fine, so long as it doesnt violate rights.



Victorlink87 said:
Rab said:

Well that's twisting the facts nicely, that hypothetical 70% was mentioned only for any income over 10 million in that year, the first 10 million would be taxed normally 

I personally don't see why the super Rich shouldn't contribute far more to a society they are clearly benefiting from 

They already contribute far more even though they use breaks and not including the income they provide to others. I just dont see why they should be punished for being wildly successful.

 

If I were ever clever enough and had the esources to make 10 mil I would stop at $9,999,999.99 just to be a troll to the government. The rest would be fed into my business and not taken as income.

Punished? They have been paying proportionally less tax for decades when compared to the Middle classes, with the latests tax breaks for the Rich making that even less, US society is in desperate need to improve services (Except the Military which is generally well funded) 



Rab said:
Spike0503 said:
I despise socialism and the people spouting it as the next great thing. I hope she doesn't manage to do any harm with her ideology.

You despise more equality?

Democratic Socialism has been around a very long time in the highly economically efficient Northern European countries and it as made them better in almost all indicators of social equality than the US  

No no no. Norway, not in any way shape or form socialist. I know, i live here



Rab said:
Victorlink87 said:

They already contribute far more even though they use breaks and not including the income they provide to others. I just dont see why they should be punished for being wildly successful.

 

If I were ever clever enough and had the esources to make 10 mil I would stop at $9,999,999.99 just to be a troll to the government. The rest would be fed into my business and not taken as income.

Punished? They have been paying proportionally less tax for decades when compared to the Middle classes, with the latests tax breaks for the Rich making that even less, US society is in desperate need to improve services (Except the Military which is generally well funded) 

Taxes decreased on every bracket except the bottom where it stayed the same.

 

Yes, punished. They already feed 80% of the government's income and pay most Americans. The government then proceeds to fail to budget properly and then drives up the debt and yet somehow they should be given more money to throw away? Thereby driving the debt even higher? The solution still seems to be the erasure of breaks and term limits on those in congress as it would force them to get things done efficiently.