Of course, you could always attempt to get the ball rolling again.

But really, as mentioned, the 15th's numbers have been viewed and reviewed a good bit already. A little straying is fine at this point. The issue is still some of the aggression I see from a select few. You guys need to tone it down. I threw that out once, so this will be the last time. Try your best to engage what the person is saying without resorting to anything personal. And for others, don't attack a platform without basis (i.e. ... Switch is merely for casuals/doesn't directly compete with PS/Xbox, etc, etc...). Opinions, whether right or wrong, can still be a step over the line. Context and presentation are important.

I'm saying that one side can present their argument with data. The other side, particularly with nothing more than their own feelings, is standing on a flimsy floorboard.

Ex: 

Person A: "Nintendo is competing with PlayStation and Xbox. Just look at how the market share for PS4 is shrinking as Switch continues to sell in the market". 

Person B: "Nintendo isn't competing with PS/Xbox. Why? Because I said so."

The problem is substance, not the view itself. Since you said "(even without a reasonable long justification)". It doesn't need to be long, it just needs to exist. Why is it not competing? What are the others doing that keep it in its own bubble? Do they share any of the same 3rd party games? Are their sales not impacted by one another?

All of those are reasonable questions that should at least receive (in a few of those cases) some form of answer to present a counter argument. This is especially necessary if you are someone with a known history of attacking a specific brand without justification. 

I think that something like COD and Grand Theft Auto appeals to kids just as much as Mario and Zelda. When I moved into my current neighborhood 10 years ago, my neighbor had a kid who was like 4-6. He didn't play Nintendo games, all he played was Call of Duty and Battlefield Bad Company 2. Anecdotal, yes, but I think we're starting to see M rated games become more and more adopted by the 8+ crowd. 

Of course, you could always attempt to get the ball rolling again.

But really, as mentioned, the 15th's numbers have been viewed and reviewed a good bit already. A little straying is fine at this point. The issue is still some of the aggression I see from a select few. You guys need to tone it down. I threw that out once, so this will be the last time. Try your best to engage what the person is saying without resorting to anything personal. And for others, don't attack a platform without basis (i.e. ... Switch is merely for casuals/doesn't directly compete with PS/Xbox, etc, etc...). Opinions, whether right or wrong, can still be a step over the line. Context and presentation are important.

Agree with the whole post, and @ above; this has always been true. I played Wolfenstein 3D myself when I was like 8.

So 10 months of the year pissed away ;p

I enjoy the discussion. Debating is important to get a true understanding of a subject. And I agree they arent direct competitors. Indirect Competitors is reasonable with some market overlap. But I do believe Nintendo could reach further into that market at least short term.

To me, now, you sound like that saying that it's an indirect competition is just offensive needs justification while saying that it's on direct competition is ok because it praises Nintendo and so doesn't need justification. It's very hard for me to see how we draw the line between market/business opinion and "attack to Nintendo owners feelings".

https://nintendosoup.com/npd-70-of-switch-owners-also-own-a-ps4-or-xbox-one/

According to NPD as of 5 months ago, the amount of Nintendo Switch fans which also own a console from another major console manufacturer is around 70% in the U.S. Obviously with more Switch units being purchased since then, that statistic has probably changed. However, it does highlight a key point. While it would be easy to downplay the Switch by using this statistic to show that it is mostly purchased as a secondary console, it shows that the Nintendo Switch shares largely the same demographic as the PS4 or Xbox One. It's hard to discern how much potential sales it could or couldn't be taking away from other consoles, but the point is that when the excuse is made that the Switch isn't competing against the PS4 or Xbox One because the userbase is completely different, the reality is very different from the argument being proposed. 

Let's just be honest, the age range for the PS4/Xbox One and the Switch is largely the same. Nintendo might have a higher percentage of the extremely young market, like the 4-7 year olds, but with the gaming industry being bigger and gaming becoming more and more normalized ... I think that something like COD and Grand Theft Auto appeals to kids just as much as Mario and Zelda. When I moved into my current neighborhood 10 years ago, my neighbor had a kid who was like 4-6. He didn't play Nintendo games, all he played was Call of Duty and Battlefield Bad Company 2. Anecdotal, yes, but I think we're starting to see M rated games become more and more adopted by the 8+ crowd. 

Without a justification/reasoning, it more reeks of a distaste for the platform rather than a mere feeling that it is 'just another device' in a vacuum of the market. No matter what picture you paint, an argument can be made that it is in direct competition with other devices fighting for people's dollars in an enclosed space. The counter argument can be made, most certainly, but you need to be prepared to back it up (especially considering where you are ~ a site dedicated to sales). It would be like someone being brought up on criminal charges without basis. No evidence/witnesses, etc, etc... People wouldn't (nor shouldn't) take that seriously and would rightfully cause backlash. Same principle applies here. 

Yep, Nintendo on Switch or next gen could certainly take more steps to dispute the market more directly, not sure it would benefit them as their best sellers came from not going for the same market (Wii, the handhelds and Switch which we are discussing if is direct or not).

General rule on VGC. If you are being positive you don't need any justification or explanation. But if you are being negative you need to justify to not become just trolling or flaming.

Didn't see this research before. If it still holds WW it can lead to two conclusions, either it's a secondary device due to portability and Nintendo exclusives or Switch is indeed in direct competition (but on this the problem of low impact in the others still holds). Anyway it's good and relevant new. The fact that PS4/X1 have over 5 years in the market and neering saturation may explain a lot of their owners buying Switch as well. If sales curve of the 3 keep general shape them we won't have an answer until next gen (Wii also had a lot of sales from being secondary platform, that didn't translate to sales on WiiU).