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Forums - Sales Discussion - Global Hardware 15 December 2018

PortisheadBiscuit said:
colafitte said:

But your comments goes after the poster, not against their argument. It's personal and it shouldn't be. You're accusing people of being jealous and that's is as incendiary as derailing the thread.

You took my comment, which wasn't directed at any individual, and made it personal. The gaming world is full of narratives, whataboutisms, etc; There's no difference in let's say, someone predicting the LTD sales of Switch or predicting what the narrative would be if Switch was underperforming. They're both unknown factors and can only be predicted by previous trends etc; 

Nah, it wasn't me taking things personal. In fact, i don't find interesting the discussion about Switch being a home console or not. I accepted what it was long ago and i have no problems with that. 

It was that, in my opinion, you shouldn't label people that think Switch is just a handheld "people that only think that way because Switch is selling good". You were implying their reasoning was jealousy, and because like you said, you like to talk not directing at any individual, you can stir up a nest that way, because like i said, it's unfair, because maybe there will people that said that because of jelousy and others (like me, that's why i said what i think, despite not caring at all about the subject) that simply think that way for argumented reasons.

I already said that i don't like that this thread is derailed about that topic. I think people already made their point and the discussion is becoming pointless. But it's not me who decide that.



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colafitte said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

You took my comment, which wasn't directed at any individual, and made it personal. The gaming world is full of narratives, whataboutisms, etc; There's no difference in let's say, someone predicting the LTD sales of Switch or predicting what the narrative would be if Switch was underperforming. They're both unknown factors and can only be predicted by previous trends etc; 

Nah, it wasn't me taking things personal. In fact, i don't find interesting the discussion about Switch being a home console or not. I accepted what it was long ago and i have no problems with that. 

It was that, in my opinion, you shouldn't label people that think Switch is just a handheld "people that only think that way because Switch is selling good". You were implying their reasoning was jealousy, and because like you said, you like to talk not directing at any individual, you can stir up a nest that way, because like i said, it's unfair, because maybe there will people that said that because of jelousy and others (like me, that's why i said what i think, despite not caring at all about the subject) that simply think that way for argumented reasons.

I already said that i don't like that this thread is derailed about that topic. I think people already made their point and the discussion is becoming pointless. But it's not me who decide that.

So what was the point in quoting me if you didnt care one way or another? It struck some type of chord, not sure why. I made a broad statement, which is done all the time in the gaming world. Whether or not the statement applied to YOU personally is somewhat moot no? 



PortisheadBiscuit said:
colafitte said:

Nah, it wasn't me taking things personal. In fact, i don't find interesting the discussion about Switch being a home console or not. I accepted what it was long ago and i have no problems with that. 

It was that, in my opinion, you shouldn't label people that think Switch is just a handheld "people that only think that way because Switch is selling good". You were implying their reasoning was jealousy, and because like you said, you like to talk not directing at any individual, you can stir up a nest that way, because like i said, it's unfair, because maybe there will people that said that because of jelousy and others (like me, that's why i said what i think, despite not caring at all about the subject) that simply think that way for argumented reasons.

I already said that i don't like that this thread is derailed about that topic. I think people already made their point and the discussion is becoming pointless. But it's not me who decide that.

So what was the point in quoting me if you didnt care one way or another? It struck some type of chord, not sure why. I made a broad statement, which is done all the time in the gaming world. Whether or not the statement applied to YOU personally is somewhat moot no? 

The problem, like i said, has less to do in what you said and more in how you said it. That's all. I was saying before your post that i don't understand why people act personal when Switch is named in this site and then,you  just posted that post that i replied to you.

The way you used the words did not add anything to that discussion and they seemed to me more inflamatory than anything else. And i said this because is not the first time this happens. If people consider one person is acting bad you should name or quote it personally, but not put everyone in the same basket. 

But ey, i'm extralimiting my opinion here. I'm just another poster, and i don't decide anything here. Feel free to post whaterver you want. I won't insist anymore. 

It's nothing personal, i was just trying to give my impression in recent Switch discussions that are becoming unnecessarily hostile between us, posters. If you find my comments personal and insulting, it wasn't my intention. 



Well to awnser your question PB its very simple as much as cola over there tries to deny being biased, heck he might not even realise it, even if his own avatar should be obvious flag, he very much is.
And thats not a bad thing its human after all.



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kirby007 said:
Well to awnser your question PB its very simple as much as cola over there tries to deny being biased, heck he might not even realise it, even if his own avatar should be obvious flag, he very much is.
And thats not a bad thing its human after all.

Sorry..., but why i should accept this?, Is this allowed in this site??

 

This is ridiculous....



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colafitte said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

So what was the point in quoting me if you didnt care one way or another? It struck some type of chord, not sure why. I made a broad statement, which is done all the time in the gaming world. Whether or not the statement applied to YOU personally is somewhat moot no? 

I'm just another poster, and i don't decide anything here.

This.



Wow, if this is allowed in this site, then my point has been proved.

Really disappointing by VGC at the moment..., really disappointed. I don't deserve that accusation at all.



Intrinsic said:
zorg1000 said:

Again, if the hardware was inside the dock instead of the handheld component than it would not be able to function as a hybrid, it would be a fully stationary device or something like Wii U where you could only play within 20-30 feet of the base unit.

In order to make something a full-fledged hybrid, it needs to have the ability to be fully portable which is only possible if the hardware is in the portable component.

And no it's not just plastic/cables to make portable part connect to TV. It has increased performance when docked, comes with a fully functioning console controller and it plays console games, not like Gameboy Player or Vita which just let you play your handheld games on a TV.

For me this is how I see it.

Its a hybrid because it can be used both as a home console and a portable and has everything out of the box to allow this.

Now if it didn`t have a dock and you had to buy a dock or cable seperately to make it work on a TV then I would call it exclusively a handheld.

Now if its hardware to run games was built into the dock and the dock had to be plugged in to the wall for it to work at all I would call it a home console.

So to me, what qualifies something as handheld or home console is where the hardware lies. If the device can work in its entirety without a TV or being plugged into a wall then its a portable. If it needs a TV and a wall plug then its a home console. 

Another way to look at it; if you are in an empty house and want a gaming device, you walk into a store and spend $300 on a PS4,  it will be useless to you when you get home because you still have to buy a TV. But that is all you will need to spend on the NS and you are good to go. 

This is why I say the NS functions as a hybrid (something that can do both) but is designed from the ground up as a handheld. .One can say that its "home console" function is secondary since they are just a by product of secondary tech (dock) added to the box and since it will work in its entirety regardless of that added tech.

Its like a laptop. Laptops fall under the classification of Mobile PCs. No one calls them desktop PCs even though they can work and perform identically to a Desktop PC. We even have some laptops that are more powerful than desktop PCs but they are still not called desktops. I can take my laptop and plug it to my TV and even close the lid but still that does not make it a desktop even though its acting like one. 

The reason for all this confusion is because there isn't an official name or classification for what kinda device the NS is. So naturally people will disagree on what it is since everyone is trying to shoehorn it into pre existing categories. I chose to look at it as a hybrid. Built like a handheld but designed to be both.

If the dock had additional HW that made it improve the performance of the games (instead of just allowing what is already inside the portable part to work on the 100%) then it truly would be needing both to work depending on the situation.

PortisheadBiscuit said:
colafitte said:

But your comments goes after the poster, not against their argument. It's personal and it shouldn't be. You're accusing people of being jealous and that's is as incendiary as derailing the thread.

You took my comment, which wasn't directed at any individual, and made it personal. The gaming world is full of narratives, whataboutisms, etc; There's no difference in let's say, someone predicting the LTD sales of Switch or predicting what the narrative would be if Switch was underperforming. They're both unknown factors and can only be predicted by previous trends etc; 

It may have to do with you being well know to make generic inflammatory posts against an userbase.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

zorg1000 said:

About shipped not sold;

Yes PS4 had around 3M in shelves after holidays, but usually 1-2M other quarters.

Considering it's getting late in it's life I would be more inclined to sub 2M this Q.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Mbolibombo said:
MasonADC said:
I’m seriously lost in all of this arguing. What’s the issue with calling the switch a home console AND a handheld?

Dont bother, it's back and forth arguing the same arguments as the last 2 years of it's existance.

This argument will go on as long as NSW exists.

But nothing is worse than Skyward Sword is good x bad discussions.



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My Total Sales prediction for PS4 by the end of 2021: 110m+

When PS4 will hit 100m consoles sold: Before Christmas 2019

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