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Intrinsic said:
SKMBlake said:

How a 299$ console hasn't the same pricepoint of a 299$ console ? Which also has 60$ games in their library.

And please, consumer target is the same, minus the fact that the PS4 appeals more on teenagers and the Switch to young adults.

Wait what?????????

Don't tell me you're now aware of that. It's even on Nintendo ads, they never show kids in Switch ads, only 20+ y.o. people, even 30+.

They're targeting young adults and people who don't have enough time to play games only on TV.



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Facts on Switch and Nintendo:
Nintendo was very smart selling a hanheld console with TV conectivity as a home console.
Power envelope and graphics are of a mobile device, even the new iphone or Galaxy have faster processors.
Some 3rd party games run on it, but they are specially made and really downgraded graphically compared to the other consoles.
They sell it at 300 with 60 USS games because they are GREEDY and Nintendo fans pay anyway, like iphone fans buy 1500 USS iphone XS.
They have high quality exclusives games with great creativity.

PS4 sold more when switch launched, and the year after. Its an indirect competitor. Didn´t hurt PS4 sales, its on another segment, like Intrinsic said with cars.

If you add the people who bought 3DS and Wii U, then you see who is buying Switch. Mobile fans. Also you can see that with Japan exploding. Take all Japan sales to see how many Switchs are selling elsewere. That doesn´t mean that some others are, but are not the core buyers.

For the nature of Nintendo games and mobility, Switch is best suitted as a christmas gift for kids and thats why sales explode in the holidays.

Nintendo doesn´t hurt Sony, It helps Sony.
Nintendo is usually the starting point for a gamer.
I go to Mc Donalds and I can´t find toys with The Last of Us, But I frequently find Nintendo toys.

Kids love them, then they want the console. And their parents played nintendo as kids, so many buy it.

Of course some kids also play PS4 or XBOX games, but Nintendo is more kid oriented, and their games for kids are usually better with all Nintendo caracters.
When this kids are adults, some will still play nintendo, but many will look for more mature games, and buy the others consoles and games.

If Nintendo weren´t there, the seed woudn´t be planted and kids would be doing something else unless some other company take nintendo place.
But for now, Nintendo helps to keep the industry and future Sony and Microsoft sales.

Edit: I forgot. for those that say that the switch is everything because you have a home and mobile device,

The Switch is like a duck, it can run, fly and swim. But it flies like a duck. And PS4 and XBOX are eagles. Don´t compare ducs and eagles ,the flying experience is different ;)

that doesn´t make the ps4 swim..... choises.

Last edited by CrazyGPU - on 08 January 2019

PwerlvlAmy said:

Right. Nintendo isn't dead in the handheld nor console department. That much is a fact ,as you know we have the Switch. So that argument really doesnt make any sense.  Nintendo has done well to come back after what we got with the Wii U and after the sluggish start with the 3DS, so they were correct.  Person that said it was dead as far as home consoles go is just completely wrong as Nintendo has Switch. Switch is a hybrid, the best of what both a home console and handheld can provide a user. It is both a home console and it is also a handheld, that's factual. People tend to pick one or the other to steer an argument in their specific direction for the sake of trying to be right. When the answer is straight forward. There's no hidden mystery.

Honestly I feel the hatred for the Hybrid idea stems from people actually being mad that Nintendo was the one to perfect it first,as far as the big 3 go, and not Microsoft/Sony. That's the vibe I get.  Am I wrong about that? maybe, but it's the opinion i gotta stick with for the time being after seeing responses lately. 

That is possibly the best answer you could come up with to justify this nonsense.

No matter if it's a home console or not... It's been sold at a high price point (50$ more than Wii, same as base WiiU) and is successful at it. No matter how someone twists the truth or misrepresent Switch's market target.

Last edited by GuyDuke - on 08 January 2019

PwerlvlAmy said:
Intrinsic said:

I don't think this has anything to do with nintendo being on top. I think everyone knew that was going to happen. 

This is about the "hybrid" nature f the NS. Handheld vs home console. Its an argument that has been gin on fr as lon as the NS existed and is represented differently by different publications. So its logical that there will be some division even here as t what exactly it is.

This all started with someone pointing out that nintendo has done really well and made a come back and how people said nintendo was dead as far as home consoles go. And then he was told (while not taking anything away from nintendo) that nintendo "is" dead as far as dedicated home consoles go which is why what they have made is a hybrid. 

And now.... apparently not classifying nintendo as a home console somehow means whoever is doing or saying that has some sort of evil agenda or even "hates" nintendo as you put it.

Right. Nintendo isn't dead in the handheld nor console department. That much is a fact ,as you know we have the Switch. So that argument really doesnt make any sense.  Nintendo has done well to come back after what we got with the Wii U and after the sluggish start with the 3DS, so they were correct.  Person that said it was dead as far as home consoles go is just completely wrong as Nintendo has Switch. Switch is a hybrid, the best of what both a home console and handheld can provide a user. It is both a home console and it is also a handheld, that's factual. People tend to pick one or the other to steer an argument in their specific direction for the sake of trying to be right. When the answer is straight forward. There's no hidden mystery.

Honestly I feel the hatred for the Hybrid idea stems from people actually being mad that Nintendo was the one to perfect it first,as far as the big 3 go, and not Microsoft/Sony. That's the vibe I get.  Am I wrong about that? maybe, but it's the opinion i gotta stick with for the time being after seeing responses lately. 

I have to ask though where is the "hatred" in this thread? Because I really seen it. Not towards Nintendo heck not even towards Hybrids. I actually saw people saying ti was a very smart move on the part of Nintendo. I mean granted all that has nothing to do with the thread at hand but I definitely don't see any hatred.



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GuyDuke said:
PwerlvlAmy said:

Right. Nintendo isn't dead in the handheld nor console department. That much is a fact ,as you know we have the Switch. So that argument really doesnt make any sense.  Nintendo has done well to come back after what we got with the Wii U and after the sluggish start with the 3DS, so they were correct.  Person that said it was dead as far as home consoles go is just completely wrong as Nintendo has Switch. Switch is a hybrid, the best of what both a home console and handheld can provide a user. It is both a home console and it is also a handheld, that's factual. People tend to pick one or the other to steer an argument in their specific direction for the sake of trying to be right. When the answer is straight forward. There's no hidden mystery.

Honestly I feel the hatred for the Hybrid idea stems from people actually being mad that Nintendo was the one to perfect it first,as far as the big 3 go, and not Microsoft/Sony. That's the vibe I get.  Am I wrong about that? maybe, but it's the opinion i gotta stick with for the time being after seeing responses lately. 

That is possibly the best answer you could come up with to justify this nonsense.

You see it and label it as nonsense, that's fine. I however stand by that opinion as that's how I see the current attitude against the Switch. 



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PwerlvlAmy said:
GuyDuke said:

That is possibly the best answer you could come up with to justify this nonsense.

You see it and label it as nonsense, that's fine. I however stand by that opinion as that's how I see the current attitude against the Switch. 

Not your nonsense. The nonsense of other people trying to distort reality and nourish uncalled hate for the hybrid system.



PwerlvlAmy said:
GuyDuke said:

That is possibly the best answer you could come up with to justify this nonsense.

You see it and label it as nonsense, that's fine. I however stand by that opinion as that's how I see the current attitude against the Switch. 

Hes agreeing with you, hes saying the argument is nonsense, not what you wote.



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GuyDuke said:
PwerlvlAmy said:

You see it and label it as nonsense, that's fine. I however stand by that opinion as that's how I see the current attitude against the Switch. 

Not your nonsense. The nonsense of other people trying to distort reality and nourish uncalled hate for the hybrid system.

Ahh I see, apologies. 



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CrazyGPU said:

 
If you add the people who bought 3DS and Wii U, then you see who is buying Switch. Mobile fans. Also you can see that with Japan exploding. Take all Japan sales to see how many Switchs are selling elsewere. That doesn´t mean that some others are, but are not the core buyers.

The whole argument falls apart in this paragraph.

Japan is Switch's worst market, the market dominated by handhelds. Switch is well ahead of 3DS in America & Europe but far behind in Japan.

3DS sales 2011+2012, 27.4 million

Japan-9.8 million

Outside Japan-17.6 million

Switch sales 2017+2018, ~30 million

Japan-~6.8 million

Outside Japan-~23.2 million



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zorg1000 said:
CrazyGPU said:

 
If you add the people who bought 3DS and Wii U, then you see who is buying Switch. Mobile fans. Also you can see that with Japan exploding. Take all Japan sales to see how many Switchs are selling elsewere. That doesn´t mean that some others are, but are not the core buyers.

The whole argument falls apart in this paragraph.

Japan is Switch's worst market, the market dominated by handhelds. Switch is well ahead of 3DS in America & Europe but far behind in Japan.

3DS sales 2011+2012, 27.4 million

Japan-9.8 million

Outside Japan-17.6 million

Switch sales 2017+2018, ~30 million

Japan-~6.8 million

Outside Japan-~23.2 million

No, if you compare the other systems, Switch is selling much more in Japan in % numbers than the other consoles and its because Japan prefer mobile. Also you are showing that 3DS sales are not very far from Switch, That shows that people that bought 3DS are now buying switch.