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Kerotan on 04 December 2018
Pemalite said:
Kerotan said:

Doesn't change the fact they are super famous WW. 

 

You might not need it but many people do. The football club don't just represent people like you or countries where LGBT rights are good. 

I have never needed it. - And that was before equal rights became a thing.

Newer generations are generally more accepting, time is what is the biggest driver of change, not rainbows paraded on screen, there is a time and place for everything.
Have the gay parades... Do promotional work, but don't invade every single medium known to man, it's unnecessary and invasive. - What goes on in an individuals bedroom and thus their sexuality is really no ones business anyway.

You don't need it but many do. This isn't for you. Yes it's their business but when people discriminate against it it needs awareness 



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PortisheadBiscuit on 04 December 2018
Pemalite said:
Kerotan said:

Doesn't change the fact they are super famous WW. 

 

You might not need it but many people do. The football club don't just represent people like you or countries where LGBT rights are good. 

I have never needed it. - And that was before equal rights became a thing.

Newer generations are generally more accepting, time is what is the biggest driver of change, not rainbows paraded on screen, there is a time and place for everything.
Have the gay parades... Do promotional work, but don't invade every single medium known to man, it's unnecessary and invasive. - What goes on in an individuals bedroom and thus their sexuality is really no ones business anyway.

 

Kerotan said:
Pemalite said:

I have never needed it. - And that was before equal rights became a thing.

Newer generations are generally more accepting, time is what is the biggest driver of change, not rainbows paraded on screen, there is a time and place for everything.
Have the gay parades... Do promotional work, but don't invade every single medium known to man, it's unnecessary and invasive. - What goes on in an individuals bedroom and thus their sexuality is really no ones business anyway.

You don't need it but many do. This isn't for you. Yes it's their business but when people discriminate against it it needs awareness 

Strong arguments on both sides here. I agree that awareness is very important, any movements in the past (women's rights, civil rights, marijuana legalization) have been met with intense opposition due to religious beliefs, social norms/taboos, etc; Anything worth it is never easy. Movements historically have never been comfortable and adopted effortlessly.

Though I do wonder what the barometer is for progression vs regression. No one wants to feel like something is forced upon them, the id wants to fight against such things. Also overexposure cheapens, how much is too much? I feel like more effort should be exuded to NOT isolate gay people in sports. I wish it was more along the lines of "oh we have this great athlete who just so happens to be gay. Cool, let's go practice".



Pemalite on 04 December 2018

Point I am trying to make is that sexuality shouldn't even need to be brought up. At all.
Hows it anyone's business to begin with?

I just don't think parading things in every single possible instance is helping the end goal of trying to normalize it, if anything it annoys people more as they feel it's an Agenda being pushed upon them.




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Helloplite on 04 December 2018
Pemalite said:
Point I am trying to make is that sexuality shouldn't even need to be brought up. At all.
Hows it anyone's business to begin with?

I just don't think parading things in every single possible instance is helping the end goal of trying to normalize it, if anything it annoys people more as they feel it's an Agenda being pushed upon them.

But isn't this the case even for what is majoritarian culture? I.e. isn't Christmas being "pushed" upon everyone because it is normalized? Or straight marriage (think of how many movies, series, TV shows, books, etc. Present a majoritarian conception of marriage as benchmark in life, important moment and milestone, etc.).

 

Isn't this an inevitable characteristic of culture in general? I may not be Christian, but I endure the permeation of cultural standards that promote it, from movies to music; etc.

 

Isn't part of the process of normalisation the increased visibility and cultural integration and interaction that goes with this?

 

I'm speaking purely from a sociological perspective here.  



Pemalite on 04 December 2018
Helloplite said:
Pemalite said:
Point I am trying to make is that sexuality shouldn't even need to be brought up. At all.
Hows it anyone's business to begin with?

I just don't think parading things in every single possible instance is helping the end goal of trying to normalize it, if anything it annoys people more as they feel it's an Agenda being pushed upon them.

But isn't this the case even for what is majoritarian culture? I.e. isn't Christmas being "pushed" upon everyone because it is normalized? Or straight marriage (think of how many movies, series, TV shows, books, etc. Present a majoritarian conception of marriage as benchmark in life, important moment and milestone, etc.).

 

Isn't this an inevitable characteristic of culture in general? I may not be Christian, but I endure the permeation of cultural standards that promote it, from movies to music; etc.

 

Isn't part of the process of normalisation the increased visibility and cultural integration and interaction that goes with this?

 

I'm speaking purely from a sociological perspective here.  

Possibly. Although to be honest, I haven't ever really thought about it along those lines.

To be fair, I am not really into the LGBTQI "culture" side of things, it makes me cringe to be honest. - There is only so much rainbow and glitter a man who likes power/hydraulic tools can tolerate.




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