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What should be done about guns in the US?

Nothing 9 13.43%
 
Strict background checks 35 52.24%
 
Ban guns 18 26.87%
 
other- comment down below. 5 7.46%
 
Total:67
sc94597 said:
SuaveSocialist said:

1: Sounds like an excuse to make after an effort is made to replicate a system proven to be successful (provided it somehow fails), though certainly not an argument to continue sitting around with your thumb up your ass after decades (centuries?) with your thumb up your ass.

2: Canada is more successful than West Korea...despite being the second largest country, not an island, and sharing the largest undefended border with West Korea.

3: I don’t recall ever discussing that, but you are certainly free to quote me on it if I did.  Really sounds like you’re thinking of somebody else, though.

4: Ah, classic. Professing disinterest in making conversation immediately after jumping into someone’s conversation. Never gets old.  Oh, well.  Bye!

1. Police would have to go door-to-door for years

2. Canada has a higher murder rate than most European countries, and many more guns. Canadians haven't banned guns. 

3. Nope, we've had this discussion about a year ago on this website. 

4. You quoted me, buddy. 

1. Do tell us all about Canada’s history of police going “door to door” every time they passed gun control measures.  I am certain it will be a very, very quick history lesson, one that reinforces how weak an excuse you had.

2. So you acknowledge that Canada is more successful than West Korea without having to ban guns. Awesome.

3. And yet I am still not seeing any evidence of that. Not even a quote.  What are the odds?

4.  And I’m not seeing a word uttered on all that silliness about disarmament.  You brought that up, only to profess no interest in talking about it.  Is there anything else that I didn’t bring up that you don’t want to talk about?  Now’s your chance to talk about it.



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SuaveSocialist said:
sc94597 said:

1. Police would have to go door-to-door for years

2. Canada has a higher murder rate than most European countries, and many more guns. Canadians haven't banned guns. 

3. Nope, we've had this discussion about a year ago on this website. 

4. You quoted me, buddy. 

1. Do tell us all about Canada’s history of police going “door to door” every time they passed gun control measures.  I am certain it will be a very, very quick history lesson, one that reinforces how weak an excuse you had.

2. So you acknowledge that Canada is more successful than West Korea without having to ban guns. Awesome.

3. And yet I am still not seeing any evidence of that. Not even a quote.  What are the odds?

4.  And I’m not seeing a word uttered on all that silliness about disarmament.  You brought that up, only to profess no interest in talking about it.  Is there anything else that I didn’t bring up that you don’t want to talk about?  Now’s your chance to talk about it.

1. & 2. You are using a tactic of mixing up responses to general claims you made, such as "other countries" and specific ones such as "Canada." Canada has not been able to reduce gun crime in Canada at a faster rate  than the U.S has in the U.S. The rate of homicides in the U.S has always been greater than in Canada, because of particular social problems which exist in the U S which don't exist in Canada, such as: the legacy of slavery, greater socio-economic inequality, and greater poverty. For any particular gun control law Canada has incorporated there is no evidence that it has reduced the already comparatively low Canadian crime rate.

And there is a much larger problem for the U.S (three times as many guns per capita) and a larger population living in more habitable area.

 

3. I am not able to spend the time to use VGChartz's search feature right now but I will look for the thread later and get back to ya. It is useful to do so, because I don't feel like having this conversation again with you. We agreed to disagree the last time after pages of quotes.

 

4. No I am interested in talking about these things. Just not with you. Sorry if that hurts your feelings. Been there; done that. 



I believe they should ban carry on laws. If you own a gun, keep it in your house under lock and key. Throw anyone carrying guns in jail. Guns only purpose should be to keep the government in check not for pleasure or to run around like a cowboy looking for people to shoot. Yes criminals will still carry them, but I am more scared of random nutjobs who think themselves cowboys and are looking for any excuse to use their expensive handgun in any confrontation. It could also slow down all this gun crazy culture.



gamerguy101 said:
If you know about history and keeping countries free. Never ban guns. That is the short term impulse reaction. You don't ban clothes cleaner because a bunch of idiots wana eat tide pods or ban bleach because people drink it. You don't ban cars because idiots run people over/drive drunk/ high. We could endlessly debate if there should be more strict laws of some kind and Im for that as long as its not to intrusive. But again ...never ban...guns.

People that are law abiding and good only get hurt when you ban guns because now they can't protect themselves against any form of tyranny. And they would be to afraid of acquiring them illegally because of the consequences because you know they want to do better for themselves and have families to raise/protect them going to jail or getting a hefty fine would be the end. Criminals however and people that don't care about life will do not care about ramifications at all or much less than a law abiding person. Bad people/criminals GET THE GUNS NO MATTER WHAT only good people will be afraid to acquire them illegally, ala what happened in France and other places not to long ago. Or just go about it in another way to hurt others.

Iv never touched a gun or even been around one. But I know their significance to keeping countries truly free in the long run. Remember free countries can't be turned over night it's a slow incremental process for tyranny to take over.

Which ironically is slowly happening in the US. You can;t stop tyranny with your little lead throwers my man. They have tanks and rockets and aircrafts. The only thing to stop tyranny is the voice of the people, people don't need guns to do it, only a will and heart of steel. Just zoom out and look at what's happening in the US and tell me it's not going towards tyranny, slowly but surely. Drumpf is not the worst of it trust me. You will continue to get worse and worse leaders and both parties are corrupt so only the people have the power to stop this either by a new party or radically getting into and changing these parties from within



Just a guy who doesn't want to be bored. Also

As I am sure most of you already know. The killer posted that he was incited by the Soro's funded Migrant caravan... which of course was a Trump lie. I don't know what more else you need to know to see that this man is dangerous... In his position, he has to understand that unstable people may be out there listening to him and believing his lies. Then you hear that one of his victims was a 97 year old Holocaust survivor and then you get this sick feeling in your stomach. We, the silent majority are done with his machinations and fear mongering. Enough is enough. You can worship the ground Trump walks on but you don't get to tell us we have to stand here and take it. Enough!



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You know the theories of what gun control will mean are meaningless in the face of loss of life. DO SOMETHING! The government isn't coming for us. We are the government. That is what our country is. Self representation. Not dictatorship or authoritarianism. Being 'afraid' of the government means we are too scared of ourselves to choose leaders that wont kill us off. It is silly.  To answer the poll we start with strict checks.  if that doesn't  work we start banning guns, starting with carry laws. 



CosmicSex said:

We are the government. That is what our country is. Self representation. 

Not everyone agrees that the myth is reality. Especially the more one looks at the structure of representative "democracy" and the philosophical foundations justifying it, which seem to contradict themselves. 

 

See: http://www.people-press.org/2017/12/14/public-trust-in-government-1958-2017/



strict background checks. have over two years of training to use a firearm. require a permit to own a gun that must be renewed every 6 months. limit the amount of ammo allowed per household. ban all automatic and semiautomatic weapons. anyone found in violation gets a minimum of 10 years in jail



sc94597 said:
CosmicSex said:

We are the government. That is what our country is. Self representation. 

Not everyone agrees that the myth is reality. Especially the more one looks at the structure of representative "democracy" and the philosophical foundations justifying it, which seem to contradict themselves. 

 

See: http://www.people-press.org/2017/12/14/public-trust-in-government-1958-2017/

Fortunately, this a problem we can solve.  We can protect voting, educate (like really educate, not just hate ads) on the candidate, their  beliefs and exactly what they will do as our representative, let them be responsible for the outcomes and take control over who is representing us.  It is a tall order and the hardest part is getting people to pay attention.   And all candidates wont to a good choice for all people everywhere.  The needs of the people in Seattle and needs of the people in Dallas may be wildly different.  

Next, I propose that we dissolve political parties.  Counties and municipalities  will be responsible for funding their own elections and the candidates are beholden to work within the budget allowed.  If we can get the money out of politics, we can take back control over our representation.  No more mega donors to drown the airways with pro candidate messages with and end of buying their own elections. 



Yerm said:
strict background checks. have over two years of training to use a firearm. require a permit to own a gun that must be renewed every 6 months. limit the amount of ammo allowed per household. ban all automatic and semiautomatic weapons. anyone found in violation gets a minimum of 10 years in jail

Cosigned.  This wont solve all of our problems but it is a start.  Make gun ownership more of a privilege than a right like driving a car.