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Forums - Politics Discussion - Pittsburg Shooting Killed 11 People. Gun control?

 

What should be done about guns in the US?

Nothing 9 13.43%
 
Strict background checks 35 52.24%
 
Ban guns 18 26.87%
 
other- comment down below. 5 7.46%
 
Total:67
Runa216 on 30 October 2018
Snoopy said:
Runa216 said:

So, so much wrong here. 

Strawman fallacy followed by a slippery slope fallacy and a false equivalency/Confirmation bias. 

Chicago having higher than average gun crime does not disprove the concept of having stricter laws resulting in better management of the gun problem. Look at virtually every other developed nation in the world for my counterpoint/counter argument. 

Strawman fallacy because you're using the most extreme version of your opponent's argument to make your point; also known as argumentum ad absurdium. (or something like that. The exact spelling is too Latin for my English sensibilities.) 

Slippery slope fallacy is illustrated by the fact that you think that stricter laws will automatically default to that strawman fallacy. This is false, and there is virtually no proof to back up your claim, hence your confirmation bias wherein you find one example (Chicago) that supports your claim while strategically ignoring the overwhelming mountain of evidence to the contrary. 

I repeat: you are clearly not mature enough to be having these discussions if you employ so many fallacious arguments and can't see beyond your own bias. 

It isn't a fallacy when it's been proven time and time again more government control means fewer freedoms for the citizens. The government is full of dangerous and corrupt people. They will keep extending their reach and eventually go to the extreme as we seen before multiple times. Which means taking away our guns.  If you checked my link, you will see Crowder debunks the develop nation argument because it is misleading.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IULSD8VwXEs

One of his many great arguments is most gun crime occurs in heavily populated areas such as cities and the united states is third worldwide regarding the number of cities with over 100k people. That's why many crime bureaus admit it is pretty much impossible to compare crime across different countries

However, keep up with the insults when people have a different opinion than you. Shows us how "mature" you really are. I can see you like government control since you are a socialist. That's good, maybe you can join the caravan with the rest of the socialists and educate us all on the wonders of socialism.

 

Well, I wasn't insulting you but I am now. 



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KLAMarine on 30 October 2018
SpokenTruth said:
KLAMarine said:

How'd Willie Cory Godbolt make it out alive then?

You need to work on your sarcasm detector.

Or just hit the '/s' key on your keyboard.



Pemalite on 30 October 2018
Snoopy said:

It isn't a fallacy when it's been proven time and time again more government control means fewer freedoms for the citizens.

Well no. It doesn't.
I am all for minimal Government when it makes sense, but Gun Control should be a requirement in any developed nation, it does work.

Snoopy said:

The government is full of dangerous and corrupt people.

That is a systemic issue of your country then or... A conspiracy theory.
I highly suggest that the people of your nation set-up an Anti-Corruption agency that systematically looks at your government from top to bottom... Like. You know. We do, if you haven't already of course.

Snoopy said:

They will keep extending their reach and eventually go to the extreme as we seen before multiple times. Which means taking away our guns.

Gun control doesn't mean you loose your ability to acquire weapons.

Snoopy said:

One of his many great arguments is most gun crime occurs in heavily populated areas such as cities and the united states is third worldwide regarding the number of cities with over 100k people. That's why many crime bureaus admit it is pretty much impossible to compare crime across different countries

 

Crime reporting also differs from country to country making direct comparisons tenuous at best.

Snoopy said:

I can see you like government control since you are a socialist. That's good, maybe you can join the caravan with the rest of the socialists and educate us all on the wonders of socialism.

My country leverages socialism which is essentially funded by capitalism to have a superior standard of living, better healthcare, better infrastructure.. It's actually not a bad thing once you get over your fear of it.

Essentially, don't knock it until you actually try it, you might actually just walk away surprised.

 

Robert_Downey_Jr. said:

Until the border is secure it would be useless

Useless? Not really.
Reduced impact? Certainly.

Gotta' start somewhere. - Don't leave something for tomorrow that can be done today.

What will really be interesting is how the rise of 3D printing will affect peoples ability to acquire weapons.



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