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What should be done about guns in the US?

Nothing 9 13.43%
 
Strict background checks 35 52.24%
 
Ban guns 18 26.87%
 
other- comment down below. 5 7.46%
 
Total:67
sc94597 said:
SuaveSocialist said:

The reason being that I understand what words mean, and I can read them as they are written.

You...not so sure.  Too much evidence to the contrary.

1. It seems to me as if you want me to limit my reasoning capabilities to induction with no capacity to make  other types of inferences. 

2. That would be silly.

3. But of course you are here to debate

4. Then when called out on the oversimplification of it all, you say "that isn't what I wrote, read what I wrote."

5.  Well when what you write is general all that is left is deduction. 

6. Possibly the problem isn't my literacy

7. Or possibly the frustration is that you don't address even a third of what was written?

1.  It would be very in character for it to seem that way to you. 

2.  That would be silly indeed.  Good thing that’s not what I want.

3.  Nope. That is not why I am here.

4.  Do you have another link for me? 

5.  Your deduction process is most illogical, given the content/specifics in our conversations.

6. Possibly. Your illogic could be to blame.

7.  Is that your frustration?  Not sure why you’re asking me.



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SuaveSocialist said:
sc94597 said:

1. It seems to me as if you want me to limit my reasoning capabilities to induction with no capacity to make  other types of inferences. 

2. That would be silly.

3. But of course you are here to debate

4. Then when called out on the oversimplification of it all, you say "that isn't what I wrote, read what I wrote."

5.  Well when what you write is general all that is left is deduction. 

6. Possibly the problem isn't my literacy

7. Or possibly the frustration is that you don't address even a third of what was written?

1.  It would be very in character for it to seem that way to you. 

2.  That would be silly indeed.  Good thing that’s not what I want.

3.  Nope. That is not why I am here.

4.  Do you have another link for me? 

5.  Your deduction process is most illogical, given the content/specifics in our conversations.

6. Possibly. Your illogic could be to blame.

7.  Is that your frustration?  Not sure why you’re asking me.

3.  Why are you here? Constantly calling the US West Korea seems like trolling to me. Are you just here to troll?



The worst part is many attacks like these have been happening in the later half of the 2010s, all because of Trump's hateful rhetoric and sympathy for tyrants like Putin and Kim Jong Un.

Just impeach him already to end this idiocy.



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The_Yoda said:
SuaveSocialist said:

1.  It would be very in character for it to seem that way to you. 

2.  That would be silly indeed.  Good thing that’s not what I want.

3.  Nope. That is not why I am here.

4.  Do you have another link for me? 

5.  Your deduction process is most illogical, given the content/specifics in our conversations.

6. Possibly. Your illogic could be to blame.

7.  Is that your frustration?  Not sure why you’re asking me.

3.  1. Why are you here?

2. Constantly calling the U.S West Korea seems like trolling to me.

3. Are you just here to troll?

1. (On this site): because I live on a remote island I have established a presence on various websites to stay current on world events.  This one I use to be aware of video game stuff, but I do not find them an engaging subject of discussion so I generally lurk on those threads.

(in this thread): Because people keep talking to me and I’ve got a couple days before the next land mass appears on the horizon.  Nothing better to do at the moment, so I reply. 

2. Constantly behaving badly on the world stage under the “leadership” of an inept, despot wannabe has earned that nation the moniker West Korea.  It’s a harsh criticism, but it is not trolling.  It would be nice for Amer ica to return to the world stage in its former competence.  No one wants me to stop saying West Korea more than me.

3. No, I am not, so I do not.



Runa216 said:
Snoopy said:

The government will keep pushing for more "Gun Control" when they find out their last attempt fail like always. Eventually, resulting in banning guns. Look how Chicago has some of the strictest gun control and yet a higher than normal gun-related deaths and politicians are still trying to push for more gun control in Chicago. The end goal of gun control is banning, let no one fool you otherwise.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IULSD8VwXEs

So, so much wrong here. 

Strawman fallacy followed by a slippery slope fallacy and a false equivalency/Confirmation bias. 

Chicago having higher than average gun crime does not disprove the concept of having stricter laws resulting in better management of the gun problem. Look at virtually every other developed nation in the world for my counterpoint/counter argument. 

Strawman fallacy because you're using the most extreme version of your opponent's argument to make your point; also known as argumentum ad absurdium. (or something like that. The exact spelling is too Latin for my English sensibilities.) 

Slippery slope fallacy is illustrated by the fact that you think that stricter laws will automatically default to that strawman fallacy. This is false, and there is virtually no proof to back up your claim, hence your confirmation bias wherein you find one example (Chicago) that supports your claim while strategically ignoring the overwhelming mountain of evidence to the contrary. 

I repeat: you are clearly not mature enough to be having these discussions if you employ so many fallacious arguments and can't see beyond your own bias. 

It isn't a fallacy when it's been proven time and time again more government control means fewer freedoms for the citizens. The government is full of dangerous and corrupt people. They will keep extending their reach and eventually go to the extreme as we seen before multiple times. Which means taking away our guns.  If you checked my link, you will see Crowder debunks the develop nation argument because it is misleading.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IULSD8VwXEs

One of his many great arguments is most gun crime occurs in heavily populated areas such as cities and the united states is third worldwide regarding the number of cities with over 100k people. That's why many crime bureaus admit it is pretty much impossible to compare crime across different countries

However, keep up with the insults when people have a different opinion than you. Shows us how "mature" you really are. I can see you like government control since you are a socialist. That's good, maybe you can join the caravan with the rest of the socialists and educate us all on the wonders of socialism.

 

Last edited by Snoopy - on 30 October 2018

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Ganoncrotch said:
Robert_Downey_Jr. said:

Ireland is also an island

 

its much harder to keep guns out of the US.  The US produces a lot of guns and even if the country stops all that there’s a southern border that entire people can get across fairly frequently

The republic of Ireland shares the island it's on with northern Ireland a country which has 11 guns per 100 people.

 

To suggest that gun laws shouldn't be implemented because you have a land border with somewhere is ridiculous, you might as well abolish your speed limits on roads because someone can just drive down from Canada at speed...

Until the border is secure it would be useless



I am Iron Man

I don't think anything can be done. This will just happen more and more often in the US, and it'll be the only first world country where it happens regularly. Mass shooting gun violence is just ingrained into the culture by now unfortunately. 

Last edited by Soundwave - on 30 October 2018

KLAMarine said:
SpokenTruth said:

Because if he were dark, he'd be dead.

How'd Willie Cory Godbolt make it out alive then?

You need to work on your sarcasm detector.



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

Snoopy said:
Runa216 said:

So, so much wrong here. 

Strawman fallacy followed by a slippery slope fallacy and a false equivalency/Confirmation bias. 

Chicago having higher than average gun crime does not disprove the concept of having stricter laws resulting in better management of the gun problem. Look at virtually every other developed nation in the world for my counterpoint/counter argument. 

Strawman fallacy because you're using the most extreme version of your opponent's argument to make your point; also known as argumentum ad absurdium. (or something like that. The exact spelling is too Latin for my English sensibilities.) 

Slippery slope fallacy is illustrated by the fact that you think that stricter laws will automatically default to that strawman fallacy. This is false, and there is virtually no proof to back up your claim, hence your confirmation bias wherein you find one example (Chicago) that supports your claim while strategically ignoring the overwhelming mountain of evidence to the contrary. 

I repeat: you are clearly not mature enough to be having these discussions if you employ so many fallacious arguments and can't see beyond your own bias. 

It isn't a fallacy when it's been proven time and time again more government control means fewer freedoms for the citizens. The government is full of dangerous and corrupt people. They will keep extending their reach and eventually go to the extreme as we seen before multiple times. Which means taking away our guns.  If you checked my link, you will see Crowder debunks the develop nation argument because it is misleading.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IULSD8VwXEs

One of his many great arguments is most gun crime occurs in heavily populated areas such as cities and the united states is third worldwide regarding the number of cities with over 100k people. That's why many crime bureaus admit it is pretty much impossible to compare crime across different countries

However, keep up with the insults when people have a different opinion than you. Shows us how "mature" you really are. I can see you like government control since you are a socialist. That's good, maybe you can join the caravan with the rest of the socialists and educate us all on the wonders of socialism.

 

Well, I wasn't insulting you but I am now. 



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SpokenTruth said:
KLAMarine said:

How'd Willie Cory Godbolt make it out alive then?

You need to work on your sarcasm detector.

Or just hit the '/s' key on your keyboard.