You are out of your mind, good sir. I can only assume you've worked like 70+ hrs regularly if you think that's how a proper company should run. Granted, the most i've worked is 55 hour week and just that was exhausting (and a one-off 22 hour work day, worst experience of my life)

Support the workers and company sure, but recognize that those are not normal working environments. That's not a standard by any means, it's extremely taxing on those workers.

1) I probably could have worded it better. Rockstar should change the way they work, not simply work less. There are more ways to maintain a high level of productivity without simply throwing in more work hours.

2) This only works only in Economy 101 where we try to emulate the real world through models, but the real world is much too complex, so models (as well as graphs, functions and mathematical formulae used within these models) need to make sacrifices of accuracy. If someone tried to emulate the real world with its entire complexity, the result would be the real world again. So, a function of labour can only measure something within its range, or scope. Your labor function ignores every social aspect of labor (how much do you like what you do?), but also every physical, like workers getting tired and exhausted.  So no, productivity is not simply measured by working hours. Labor efficiency plays a major role in the real world.

3) This mindset belongs to the century before the last one. We have long since moved on.

4) It's neither a trade-off nor a zero-sum game. We can have both, we just need to work on it. Of course it takes time and it's hard - but it's worth the effort.

fatslob-:O said: 

For the most part they hardly do and who cares if Rockstar's former lead director left them ? When in game development it's not about the superstar, it's about the team and a visionary is nothing without a good team when we take Itagaki as an example for pushing out trash like Devil's Third while his former studio returned to greatness by releasing Nioh. Why change the system when it worked in providing good value for the money ? 

Human sacrifice is necessary and money is the contract between the producer and the consumer. Is producing sub-par products and not getting punished for it but instead is rewarded for it supposed to make the customers happy ? What happened to developers being only as good as their last game ? 

The idea of pro-consumerism is not compatible with employee welfare since the former is about getting most value out of the latter rather than vice versa and this is something every social democrat needs to ponder about instead of showing duplicity about it ...

Kerotan said:

I've been in the military so I've done a hell of a lot harder for a hell of a lot less money. Should we boycott countries because their armies overwork and underpay? 

Late reply, iv been flat out working. Better late than never.

@Bald - Human Sacrifice is not necessary to create great products. Rockstar isn't exactly poor and there games don't exactly undersell. These issues are easily solved with Rockstar hiring more employee's to take the load off the current employees, except instead of them spending money for peoples health, they force them to work or leave. That is not the right mindset a business should have on anyone. 

No one in here hating on the quality of there products, but they can achieve the same level of quality if greed wasn't there main factor point in this.

Let me give you a couple examples here. If the shoes you were wearing made by unpaid slave labour somewhere in the middle east, and the quality is good, you wouldn't care because the shoes are great?

Another example would be if your kids, wife or family were working for a high end brand, and that brand tortured them during busy periods not allowing them the right to there life would you still not care? 

That's what I gathered reading your posts and that's how you sound to me.

Glad you are supporting RDR2, but lets not give credit to acts like this. As I mentioned above, Rockstar can achieve the same heights by simply spending more on there staff rather than just threating them.

Kerotan said:

That's not what I'm talking about but you know what in reality myself and most don't care. I do zero research into the origins of my clothes and shoes before buying. If i cared I'd do research. And BTW most consumers just buy without looking it up so I'm far from alone. 

That is fine, no one is asking you to do research on everything you consider buying. However you know what's going down at Rockstar and you are shrugging it off like who should care, because you have a great product out of it. 
Its just like saying who cares about the marriages it breaks, the new born babies not seeing there mums and dads etc. As a gaming community we need to speak up and not accept this behaviour or companies like Rockstar, CD Project Red and Naughty Dog will continue this behaviour and will eventually fall under lawsuits and high end staff leaving. That's something we don't want to happen for there next games.

Yeah you've just got one real example there with Kojima. And that was him jumping ship, not him getting laid off. If you could provide multiple examples of Nintendo of Japan laying off their corporate Japanese workers, I'd be inclined to agree with you. And keep in mind we are talking about employees of Nintendo, not of another company. So don't go pointing to some contractors that Nintendo hired for TGS or something like that. 

I would have quit before that. I love my job. I feel luckyblessedprivileged whatever word you want to put on it to do what I do. I would never be ok with working this much not only because of my family but because I need my own time for BJJ and Weightlifting. On top of playing video games. 

I feel bad for these people being overworked like that. I don't get why the company wouldn't just hire more people if they have so much over time. I work 47 hours a  week and even with as much as I love my job when Friday comes I'm ready to go home and do my own thing.

Late reply, iv been flat out working. Better late than never.

@Bald - Human Sacrifice is not necessary to create great products. Rockstar isn't exactly poor and there games don't exactly undersell. These issues are easily solved with Rockstar hiring more employee's to take the load off the current employees, except instead of them spending money for peoples health, they force them to work or leave. That is not the right mindset a business should have on anyone. 

No one in here hating on the quality of there products, but they can achieve the same level of quality if greed wasn't there main factor point in this.

Human sacrifice is absolutely necessary to make better products. Heck, labour is necessary to be productive. I can't fathom why you can't understand this when you yourself have job ... 

The contract is not between Rockstar and their employees. It's a contract between Rockstar's employees and their customers because ultimately it's not Rockstar who compensates their employees, it's the consumers and Rockstar is just a middleman figure who represents their employees and if they don't like the working conditions offered then they can leave for better working conditions ... 

Don't blame the studio since it's just another faceless company that isn't alive. Games are becoming lower in value inherently which means that being a game developer isn't all that special anymore so the only way to hold consumers accountable is by demanding more value out of them for your work like how big pharma does when they charge high prices for their blockbuster specialty drugs which usually have a smaller pool of customers ... (I don't see consumers here praising big pharma one bit for their amazing working conditions and instead of drug research scientists being hailed as the heroes their reviled as a bunch of villains while the invaluable game developers are given more pity here) 

High prices mean that customers care more about your work and low prices mean that customers care less about your work so that's the way how it'll work in real life ...