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RolStoppable said:
RJ_Sizzle said:

Really? So you think a muslim ban, the birther issue, seething at NFL players, calling non-white countries shitholes and saying there's good people on the side of Nazi/Klan demonstrators at Charlottesville comes from a place of love and tolerance? Come on! 

None of those things are inherently racist. Only if you want them to be it, which apparently holds true in your case.

Is their anything that anyone could do that would be seen as racist to you or would you first have to 'want' it to be racist?  What is the difference between being able to identify something for what it is and simply making a choice not to? Or simply denying reality?



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LiquorandGunFun said:
nice move democraps, no one is talking about the over 10K invasion to the south.

the bombs are laughably fake and if not the most shotty made bombs ever made, and made to be found. funny how quick they are out blaming trump all of a sudden, especially since they are walking back the blue wave shit.

when it comes to the clintons, nothing is coincidence.

I think you would be better served waiting for the facts to emerge.  



Hopefully they find whoever did this. If they get away with it, it may encourage more people to do this.

o_O.Q said: 
RJ_Sizzle said: 

The other side doesn't hold the top spot in power at current. We don't have a president responsible enough to know that his words have real consequences. When you run a platform on conspiracy and lies, you empower the fringe extremists. And that's what people react to. Yes, he condemned the actions today, but we can even be sure he won't go back on his words like Charlottesville.

"When you run a platform on conspiracy and lies, you empower the fringe extremists."

huh? you mean like these guys who took over the streets of portland 2 weeks ago?

These guys do not "hold a top spot in power."
Meanwhile there is a president who has incited/encouraged political violence multiple times.

Trump: 

“I’d like to punch him in the face” 2/23/16

“Maybe he should have been roughed up” 11/22/15

“Knock the crap out of him, would you? I promise you, I will pay your legal fees” 2/2016

“I’ll beat the crap out of you” 3/12/16

And a president saying that certain news media is "the enemy of the people" when he knows full well that fanatic nutjobs such as the one in this story or in Alex Jones's pizza gate etc, will put their life in danger.



Kalkano said:

1) Muslims are not a race.  It is a religion.  But, yes, when he said that before being elected, I was against it.  A simple litmus test of "what if it was Christians" worked there.  However, there was actual logic behind his reasoning.  Muslims are our terrorism problem in the world right now.  Obviously, not ALL Muslims are terrorists, but you get the point.

This. Muslims are not a race.
With that in mind... The attack on Muslims/Islam is no different than the attack on Jews/Judaism. It's antisemitism... And we have already had a world war over that.

And you are correct, not all Muslims are terrorists... And not all terrorists are Muslim.
You have Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Atheist, left wing, right wing terrorists all around the world, it's not exclusive to any particular position.

The sooner we can see that... The better.

jason1637 said:
My thoughts and prayers are with them.

As an Atheist... I have to ask... Because I see this kind of rhetoric with Americans all the time.
But how is praying going to help?

bubblegamer said:
The right wing and their practices.

Don't jump to conclusions before we have all the information/pieces of the puzzle.



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This lady looks frightened.  There is nothing on her face that says false flag....

In fact, I am surprised they held out that long really.  I would have been out so fast.

 



CosmicSex said:
RolStoppable said:

None of those things are inherently racist. Only if you want them to be it, which apparently holds true in your case.

Is their anything that anyone could do that would be seen as racist to you or would you first have to 'want' it to be racist?  What is the difference between being able to identify something for what it is and simply making a choice not to? Or simply denying reality?

The exact opposite is what's happening here.  When you are convinced that you are surrounded by racists, then every bad thing that happens is because of racism.



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CosmicSex said:
RolStoppable said:

None of those things are inherently racist. Only if you want them to be it, which apparently holds true in your case.

Is their anything that anyone could do that would be seen as racist to you or would you first have to 'want' it to be racist?  What is the difference between being able to identify something for what it is and simply making a choice not to? Or simply denying reality?

The difference is that the former requires you to have the ability to objectively analyze any given situation while the latter merely asks you to follow Trump's playbook. Life is a lot easier when you are not only entitled to your own opinions, but also your own facts.



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estebxx said:
o_O.Q said:

"When you run a platform on conspiracy and lies, you empower the fringe extremists."

huh? you mean like these guys who took over the streets of portland 2 weeks ago?

I could only watch 34 seconds before i wanted to beat them up, god i fucking HATE Antifa.

That fat lady telling the guy in the car that he is blocking traffic... the mother of hipocrisy and irony right there.

OP: I hope they find out who did it.

different leftists groups including antifa have been doing this shit continuously and oddly enough it gets completely overlooked by the media and people who would just like to pretend this is exclusively an issue on the "right"



Pemalite said:
Kalkano said:

1) Muslims are not a race.  It is a religion.  But, yes, when he said that before being elected, I was against it.  A simple litmus test of "what if it was Christians" worked there.  However, there was actual logic behind his reasoning.  Muslims are our terrorism problem in the world right now.  Obviously, not ALL Muslims are terrorists, but you get the point.

This. Muslims are not a race.
With that in mind... The attack on Muslims/Islam is no different than the attack on Jews/Judaism. It's antisemitism... And we have already had a world war over that.

And you are correct, not all Muslims are terrorists... And not all terrorists are Muslim.
You have Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Atheist, left wing, right wing terrorists all around the world, it's not exclusive to any particular position.

The sooner we can see that... The better.

jason1637 said:
My thoughts and prayers are with them.

As an Atheist... I have to ask... Because I see this kind of rhetoric with Americans all the time.
But how is praying going to help?

bubblegamer said:
The right wing and their practices.

Don't jump to conclusions before we have all the information/pieces of the puzzle.

In response to "how is praying going to help":

Obviously, if there was no God, it wouldn't.  Obviously, if we didn't believe there was a God, we wouldn't bother praying.  But, obviously, we do.  That being said, there is still the chance that he won't intervene in any way (which I personally believe is that case much of the time).  But, I have been generally praying for sanity and civility to come back to the world at large.  The #1 thing that will stand in the way of that, is that God will never interfere with someone's free will.  If someone decides to do crazy things like send bombs in the mail, then they'll do that.

Making the assumption that this was a legitimate attempt to kill people, some may say that prayer caused none of them to go off.  Whether you believe that or not may just come down to whether or not you believe in God in the first place.  Even if you do, you can then ask, "why did he stop this, but not something like 9/11".  And, I think it's a fools errand to try figure things like that out.  I believe that we are all a part of God's story, and his will be done, and there is no way to try to "think like God".

Bottom line: we pray, and I believe that God sometimes listens, depending on all possible repercussions (he sees all outcomes of everything).  And, even tragedies have a lot of good come out of them.



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