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Immersiveunreality said:
Pemalite said:

What do you expect him to do? Honest quest

it’s a lazy critique to blame a politician for practicing his job.

There are 22 senior-level positions in FEMA that are either completely vacant or temporarily staffed.  If anyone is lazy, it’s the guy responsible for appointing competent people for those positions...and that person is the Dotard.  It’s been over a year and a half and he still hasn’t named a Second-In-Command for FEMA, nor is he working with his Party to improve their readiness for disaster response (and it’s been a gong show for a solid 12 months).  Nor is he communicating what is being done or how the average citizen can help.

It’s a lazy politician who works so hard at not doing his job.



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smroadkill15 said:
Did he talk about how great of a general Robert E. Lee was at this rally?

He wouldn't be wrong. The South was known for its better leadership during The Civil War.

SuaveSocialist said:
Boooooring. Beloved Leader really needs to get some new material for his act. No wonder the ratings for his rallies keep declining.

'Beloved leader' is more of a communist schtick last I checked...



Pemalite said:
Carl said:
Your President is holding rallies while thousands of people have had their lives devastated and ruined by a hurricane.

Priorities.

Well. To be fair, not much he can do about it.

I do feel the building standards could be significantly improved in the USA though... A category 3 storm is pretty average.

Hurricane Michael was a cat 4 with winds just 2 mph short of being cat 5 (157 mph is cat 5).  It snapped a whole forest of trees in half.  This was the most powerful storm to hit our gulf coast in over 100 years.  I wouldn't classify it as a pretty average storm.  Not even brick and cinder block buildings survived.



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SpokenTruth said:
Pemalite said:

Well. To be fair, not much he can do about it.

I do feel the building standards could be significantly improved in the USA though... A category 3 storm is pretty average.

Hurricane Michael was a cat 4 with winds just 2 mph short of being cat 5 (157 mph is cat 5).  It snapped a whole forest of trees in half.  This was the most powerful storm to hit our gulf coast in over 100 years.  I wouldn't classify it as a pretty average storm.  Not even brick and cinder block buildings survived.

<SNIP>

So it was. My mistake.
The reporting here on that event has been fairly inaccurate, using outdated information.

With that in mind... Queensland gets hit by several Cyclones (Aka. Hurricanes) a year, we manage to avoid a ton of death and destruction and hysteria, even with Category 5 storms.

Immersiveunreality said:
Pemalite said:

What do you expect him to do? Honest question.

I expect him to go on with what he is doing like we don't need to stop what we do because people suffer,ts a lazy critique to blame a politician for practicing his job.

Well. The most he can do is allocate extra resources... However, speaking as someone who is in the emergency services... The more that politicians stand out of the way of us doing our job, the better.

SuaveSocialist said:

There are 22 senior-level positions in FEMA that are either completely vacant or temporarily staffed.  If anyone is lazy, it’s the guy responsible for appointing competent people for those positions...and that person is the Dotard.  It’s been over a year and a half and he still hasn’t named a Second-In-Command for FEMA, nor is he working with his Party to improve their readiness for disaster response (and it’s been a gong show for a solid 12 months).  Nor is he communicating what is being done or how the average citizen can help.

It’s a lazy politician who works so hard at not doing his job.

The California fires were a big eye opener for us guys down here.
You guys really need a top-to-bottom audit at everything from your building codes, right up to who is in charge for stamping the funds to procure equipment, it was a mess.
Allot of the death and destruction can be mitigated with some common sense and appropriate information.



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SuaveSocialist said:

There are 22 senior-level positions in FEMA that are either completely vacant or temporarily staffed.  If anyone is lazy, it’s the guy responsible for appointing competent people for those positions...and that person is the Dotard.  It’s been over a year and a half and he still hasn’t named a Second-In-Command for FEMA, nor is he working with his Party to improve their readiness for disaster response (and it’s been a gong show for a solid 12 months).  Nor is he communicating what is being done or how the average citizen can help.

It’s a lazy politician who works so hard at not doing his job.

The California fires were a big eye opener for us guys down here.
You guys really need a top-to-bottom audit at everything from your building codes, right up to who is in charge for stamping the funds to procure equipment, it was a mess.
Allot of the death and destruction can be mitigated with some common sense and appropriate information.

Not sure who the “you guys” and “your” refers to, but I can agree with your closing statement.  However, I would add “strong, capable leadership” to the list.  With 22 senior-level positions vacant or temporarily filled, leadership is not strong. With those positions to be filled at Beloved Leader’s choosing, it surely won’t be capable.



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Pemalite said:
SpokenTruth said:

Hurricane Michael was a cat 4 with winds just 2 mph short of being cat 5 (157 mph is cat 5).  It snapped a whole forest of trees in half.  This was the most powerful storm to hit our gulf coast in over 100 years.  I wouldn't classify it as a pretty average storm.  Not even brick and cinder block buildings survived.

 

So it was. My mistake.
The reporting here on that event has been fairly inaccurate, using outdated information.

With that in mind... Queensland gets hit by several Cyclones (Aka. Hurricanes) a year, we manage to avoid a ton of death and destruction and hysteria, even with Category 5 storms.

The US and Australia use different intensity scales.  Our category 5 storms are not the same.

Australia's Cat 5 - sustained winds of >198 km/h (123 mph).
US Cat 5 - sustained winds of ≥ 252 km/h (157 mph).

Your Cat 5 is our Cat 3.  We don't even classify it as a hurricane until greater than 119 km/h (74 mph) which is a Cat 3 on the Australian scale.  Lower speed storms are just called Tropical Storms here.

The other issues are that coastal Queensland is very sparsely populated outside of the southeast region (Brisbane, Gold Coast, etc...) and the terrain elevates quickly.  By that I mean it's not filled with low lying plains directly against the coast which reduces damage by storm surges. 

Queensland has never been hit by a storm that would rate Cat 5 on the US Saffir-Simpson scale.  Cyclone Yasi was your strongest which peaked at 250 km/h (155 mph).  Just shy of Cat 5 here. 

I'm not saying we don't need better building codes but these aren't just average storms.



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Pemalite said:
SpokenTruth said:

Hurricane Michael was a cat 4 with winds just 2 mph short of being cat 5 (157 mph is cat 5).  It snapped a whole forest of trees in half.  This was the most powerful storm to hit our gulf coast in over 100 years.  I wouldn't classify it as a pretty average storm.  Not even brick and cinder block buildings survived.

 

So it was. My mistake.
The reporting here on that event has been fairly inaccurate, using outdated information.

With that in mind... Queensland gets hit by several Cyclones (Aka. Hurricanes) a year, we manage to avoid a ton of death and destruction and hysteria, even with Category 5 storms.

Immersiveunreality said:

I expect him to go on with what he is doing like we don't need to stop what we do because people suffer,ts a lazy critique to blame a politician for practicing his job.

Well. The most he can do is allocate extra resources... However, speaking as someone who is in the emergency services... The more that politicians stand out of the way of us doing our job, the better.

SuaveSocialist said:

There are 22 senior-level positions in FEMA that are either completely vacant or temporarily staffed.  If anyone is lazy, it’s the guy responsible for appointing competent people for those positions...and that person is the Dotard.  It’s been over a year and a half and he still hasn’t named a Second-In-Command for FEMA, nor is he working with his Party to improve their readiness for disaster response (and it’s been a gong show for a solid 12 months).  Nor is he communicating what is being done or how the average citizen can help.

It’s a lazy politician who works so hard at not doing his job.

The California fires were a big eye opener for us guys down here.
You guys really need a top-to-bottom audit at everything from your building codes, right up to who is in charge for stamping the funds to procure equipment, it was a mess.
Allot of the death and destruction can be mitigated with some common sense and appropriate information.

Well yes it was also a lazy critique from myself to oversimplify this and i do not know enough about it to make a valid comment.

So yeah i stand by it that politicians cant be blamed for practicing their job while these things happen but they can offcourse get critique for not using their influence enough for resources etc.

What got you into doing work like this?



SuaveSocialist said:

Not sure who the “you guys” and “your” refers to, but I can agree with your closing statement.  However, I would add “strong, capable leadership” to the list.  With 22 senior-level positions vacant or temporarily filled, leadership is not strong. With those positions to be filled at Beloved Leader’s choosing, it surely won’t be capable.

I was referring to our firefighting organizations.
We had personnel flown from here over to California to assist and train some of your guys.
To say that some aspects were extremely uncoordinated is an understatement... And that issue starts from the very top.

SpokenTruth said:

Your Cat 5 is our Cat 3.  We don't even classify it as a hurricane until greater than 119 km/h (74 mph) which is a Cat 3 on the Australian scale.  Lower speed storms are just called Tropical Storms here.

You are wrong. Hurricans and Cylones are the same thing, they just differ in the geographical location that they spawn in.
Some outlets use the exact same Saffir-Simpson scale as the Americans, so it's easy to compare.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffir%E2%80%93Simpson_scale#Category_5

Granted some weather outlets will use a different scale here in Australia which will muddy things, but they usually make mention of it.

The main difference is the sustained wind speed. On the Australian scale it's a sustained wind speed of 3 minutes, rather than 1 minute on the Saffir scale.
Thus... Averages are likely to differ due to the difference in sampling resolution.


SpokenTruth said:

The other issues are that coastal Queensland is very sparsely populated outside of the southeast region (Brisbane, Gold Coast, etc...) and the terrain elevates quickly.  By that I mean it's not filled with low lying plains directly against the coast which reduces damage by storm surges.

The main benefit is actually our building codes.
In fire prone areas, we don't build homes out of pure wood like they did in California. (There were entire swathes of land just populated with brick fireplaces and nothing else after the fire front had passed.)

And in Cyclone prone areas we tend to build homes out of more durable materials.
Population density does play a part in it, but considering how well our homes and infrastructure tends to hold up in general... Well. You get the idea.
Not every populated area is in an elevated area.

SpokenTruth said:

I'm not saying we don't need better building codes but these aren't just average storms.

Category 3 is an average storm.

Immersiveunreality said:

What got you into doing work like this?

It beats sitting down all day in an office. :P



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Pemalite said:
SpokenTruth said:

Your Cat 5 is our Cat 3.  We don't even classify it as a hurricane until greater than 119 km/h (74 mph) which is a Cat 3 on the Australian scale.  Lower speed storms are just called Tropical Storms here.

You are wrong. Hurricans and Cylones are the same thing, they just differ in the geographical location that they spawn in.
Some outlets use the exact same Saffir-Simpson scale as the Americans, so it's easy to compare.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffir%E2%80%93Simpson_scale#Category_5

Granted some weather outlets will use a different scale here in Australia which will muddy things, but they usually make mention of it.

The main difference is the sustained wind speed. On the Australian scale it's a sustained wind speed of 3 minutes, rather than 1 minute on the Saffir scale.
Thus... Averages are likely to differ due to the difference in sampling resolution.


SpokenTruth said:

The other issues are that coastal Queensland is very sparsely populated outside of the southeast region (Brisbane, Gold Coast, etc...) and the terrain elevates quickly.  By that I mean it's not filled with low lying plains directly against the coast which reduces damage by storm surges.

The main benefit is actually our building codes.
In fire prone areas, we don't build homes out of pure wood like they did in California. (There were entire swathes of land just populated with brick fireplaces and nothing else after the fire front had passed.)

And in Cyclone prone areas we tend to build homes out of more durable materials.
Population density does play a part in it, but considering how well our homes and infrastructure tends to hold up in general... Well. You get the idea.
Not every populated area is in an elevated area.

SpokenTruth said:

I'm not saying we don't need better building codes but these aren't just average storms.

Category 3 is an average storm.

But you do use the Australia intensity scale.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_cyclone_scales

Even your official Bureau of Meteorology uses it.
http://www.bom.gov.au/cyclone/about/intensity.shtml

 

And no article I researched regarding storm intensity in Queensland used the Saffir-Simpson scale, only the Australia scale.

So again, Queensland has never even been hit by a Saffir-Simpson Cat 5 storm.



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I may watch some of it later today (if anything interesting happens).