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episteme on 08 October 2018

I think thst there are some misunderstanding here. Hitler was anti-democrat and argued that democracy would lead to communism (so no private property).
So business leaders should support his dictatorship to keep their property.
Private ownership doesn't mean that there have to be free markets.



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o_O.Q on 08 October 2018
Chris Hu said:
o_O.Q said:

if i give you a car and i tell you that its yours as long as you don't drive it out of the street that its parked on is it yours? that sounds silly right? so why are you arguing essentially the same thing when it comes to business in germany?

the businesses in germany were another arm of the government since the government controlled and directed them

No they did not.  Again the Nazi's privatized more businesses in Germany then any other country in the world during the same period of time.  Apparently you don't understand what privatization means so get back at me when you pass a class of basic economics 101.

ok arguing over semantics is getting no where

privitize : "transfer (a business, industry, or service) from public to private ownership and control"

who owned and controlled the "privatized" businesses in germany?



PwerlvlAmy on 08 October 2018

Aye. Hitler was far left and a socialist. Some values the more left leaning people in america currently share in common. Not all of course,minority.



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o_O.Q on 08 October 2018
episteme said:
I think thst there are some misunderstanding here. Hitler was anti-democrat and argued that democracy would lead to communism (so no private property).
So business leaders should support his dictatorship to keep their property.
Private ownership doesn't mean that there have to be free markets.

"Private ownership doesn't mean that there have to be free markets."

i didn't say so, what i said is that private ownership means private control over business in this context, which was not the case in nazi germany



MrWayne on 08 October 2018
o_O.Q said:
episteme said:
I think thst there are some misunderstanding here. Hitler was anti-democrat and argued that democracy would lead to communism (so no private property).
So business leaders should support his dictatorship to keep their property.
Private ownership doesn't mean that there have to be free markets.

"Private ownership doesn't mean that there have to be free markets."

i didn't say so, what i said is that private ownership means private control over business in this context, which was not the case in nazi germany

You view Nazi Germany without the necessary historical and cultural context. With your super strict view of socialism as "the government influences the economy and society" every single political party in the Weimar republic would have been socialist, even the 2nd German Reich would have been a socialistic state.

Did you watch the 2nd video I linked in the OP? You should watch it, it's a good video even if you disagree, and maybe you will learn a few things.



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melbye on 08 October 2018

The National Socialist party of which Hitler was the leader of controlled every aspect of society including corporations, of course he was socialist



o_O.Q on 08 October 2018
MrWayne said:
o_O.Q said:

"Private ownership doesn't mean that there have to be free markets."

i didn't say so, what i said is that private ownership means private control over business in this context, which was not the case in nazi germany

You view Nazi Germany without the necessary historical and cultural context. With your super strict view of socialism as "the government influences the economy and society" every single political party in the Weimar republic would have been socialist, even the 2nd German Reich would have been a socialistic state.

Did you watch the 2nd video I linked in the OP? You should watch it, it's a good video even if you disagree, and maybe you will learn a few things.

you misunderstand my point, i understand that every government to some degree implements socialist policy... since that is the main purpose of government

what makes me say the nazis were socialist is the degree to which their policies were socialist in nature and the degree to which government regulated things



MrWayne on 08 October 2018
o_O.Q said:
MrWayne said:

You view Nazi Germany without the necessary historical and cultural context. With your super strict view of socialism as "the government influences the economy and society" every single political party in the Weimar republic would have been socialist, even the 2nd German Reich would have been a socialistic state.

Did you watch the 2nd video I linked in the OP? You should watch it, it's a good video even if you disagree, and maybe you will learn a few things.

you misunderstand my point, i understand that every government to some degree implements socialist policy... since that is the main purpose of government

what makes me say the nazis were socialist is the degree to which their policies were socialist in nature and the degree to which government regulated things

If that's the problem you should watch the 2nd video, it clarifice a lot of the misconceptions about nazi policies you and others in this thread apparently have.



o_O.Q on 08 October 2018
MrWayne said:
o_O.Q said:

you misunderstand my point, i understand that every government to some degree implements socialist policy... since that is the main purpose of government

what makes me say the nazis were socialist is the degree to which their policies were socialist in nature and the degree to which government regulated things

If that's the problem you should watch the 2nd video, it clarifice a lot of the misconceptions about nazi policies you and others in this thread apparently have.

no i don't have misconceptions about their policies, i understand their policies pretty well

edit: if you have a disagreement with anything i've stated you are free to counter my argument



MrWayne on 08 October 2018
o_O.Q said:
MrWayne said:

If that's the problem you should watch the 2nd video, it clarifice a lot of the misconceptions about nazi policies you and others in this thread apparently have.

no i don't have misconceptions about their policies, i understand their policies pretty well

edit: if you have a disagreement with anything i've stated you are free to counter my argument

The 2nd video in the OP contradicts many of your arguments, I think it's reasonable to assume that everyone who engages in the discussion read(and watch) the OP.