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NinjaguyDan said:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

                                                                      Rev Martin Niemöller

I think I will trust the words of someone who was ACTUALLY there.

Crowder is a total fucking idiot

Niemoller said Communists, not Socialists.  Which they opposed because they were both fighting for the same power.  The whole point of that poem seems to lost on people, regardless.  Especially the SJWs and Antifa like groups, that the Left seems to be sticking up for and making excuses for, who wish to destroy the freedoms people have and order to silence them.



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collint0101 said:
fleischr said:

"National Socialist" translates to Nationalsozialistischen So "Nazi" for short.

The Nazis weren't capitalist. They seized private property, mandated extensive state control in the economy, and loathed trade with nations that didn't share goals of the Nazi ethnostate.

Socialists seize private property, mandate extensive control in the economy, and loathe the existence of capitalist market societies.

I don't think all socialists are Nazis - but there's an undeniable similarities between the two that make it clear that Nazis were/are socialists.

The word privatization was literally invented to describe Nazi economic policies. Then people still try to say they weren't capitalist 

When big corporations team up with the government to force acquisition of smaller corporations or competitors, or simply to swindle people, that's not capitalism. That's fascism.

A true capitalist society recognizes individual property rights and doesn't weaponize the government to abuse them.



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SpokenTruth said:
Hitler was a Hitler. Period. Trying to align him with one party or ideology over others is a baseless political move to score points with your own party/ideology. But more than that, it ignores that Hitler and others like him are not products of those parties or ideologies but are a party/ideology unto themselves.

I feel like this was getting missed.



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thismeintiel said:
NinjaguyDan said:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

                                                                      Rev Martin Niemöller

I think I will trust the words of someone who was ACTUALLY there.

Crowder is a total fucking idiot

Niemoller said Communists, not Socialists.  Which they opposed because they were both fighting for the same power.  The whole point of that poem seems to lost on people, regardless.  Especially the SJWs and Antifa like groups, that the Left seems to be sticking up for and making excuses for, who wish to destroy the freedoms people have and order to silence them.

I did the research and found the actual quote. Apparently the quote had been adjusted various times over the years for different reasons, but here is the original:

http://martin-niemoeller-stiftung.de/martin-niemoeller/als-die-nazis-die-kommunisten-holten

Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
habe ich geschwiegen,
ich war ja kein Kommunist.

Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
habe ich geschwiegen,
ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.

Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
habe ich geschwiegen,
ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.

Als sie mich holten,
gab es keinen mehr,
der protestieren konnte.

Communists, social democrats and trade unionists. The quote matches the actual timeline:

Nach dem Beginn der nationalsozialistischen Diktatur war die SPD die einzige Partei im Reichstag, die das Ermächtigungsgesetz ablehnte, nachdem die KPD durch die Reichstagsbrandverordnung bereits verboten war. In der Folge wurde auch die SPD verboten und die Gewerkschaften zerschlagen.

The communits (KPD) were the first party that was made illegal by the nazis, the social democrats (SPD) followed, the trade unions were the last ones in the line. The nazis had a far right ideology, so it makes sense that they got rid of the far left, followed by the left, in that order. There shouldn't be any doubts, really.



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fleischr said:
collint0101 said:

The word privatization was literally invented to describe Nazi economic policies. Then people still try to say they weren't capitalist 

When big corporations team up with the government to force acquisition of smaller corporations or competitors, or simply to swindle people, that's not capitalism. That's fascism.

A true capitalist society recognizes individual property rights and doesn't weaponize the government to abuse them.

I feel like you're getting socialism, capitalism and fascism mixed up. By your definition the USA in the late 1800s and early 1900s was fascist because of the role big business and monopolies played in shaping policy



Of course not. He was a fascist and never claimed otherwise.



RolStoppable said:
thismeintiel said:

Niemoller said Communists, not Socialists.  Which they opposed because they were both fighting for the same power.  The whole point of that poem seems to lost on people, regardless.  Especially the SJWs and Antifa like groups, that the Left seems to be sticking up for and making excuses for, who wish to destroy the freedoms people have and order to silence them.

I did the research and found the actual quote. Apparently the quote had been adjusted various times over the years for different reasons, but here is the original:

http://martin-niemoeller-stiftung.de/martin-niemoeller/als-die-nazis-die-kommunisten-holten

Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
habe ich geschwiegen,
ich war ja kein Kommunist.

Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
habe ich geschwiegen,
ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.

Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
habe ich geschwiegen,
ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.

Als sie mich holten,
gab es keinen mehr,
der protestieren konnte.

Communists, social democrats and trade unionists. The quote matches the actual timeline:

Nach dem Beginn der nationalsozialistischen Diktatur war die SPD die einzige Partei im Reichstag, die das Ermächtigungsgesetz ablehnte, nachdem die KPD durch die Reichstagsbrandverordnung bereits verboten war. In der Folge wurde auch die SPD verboten und die Gewerkschaften zerschlagen.

The communits (KPD) were the first party that was made illegal by the nazis, the social democrats (SPD) followed, the trade unions were the last ones in the line. The nazis had a far right ideology, so it makes sense that they got rid of the far left, followed by the left, in that order. There shouldn't be any doubts, really.

Yeah that's the official version but in some interviews directly after the war he also mentions the Jews.

The term socialism is only a collective term for all left-wing movements, so both communists and social-democrats can be called socialists.



thismeintiel said:
NinjaguyDan said:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

                                                                      Rev Martin Niemöller

I think I will trust the words of someone who was ACTUALLY there.

Crowder is a total fucking idiot

Niemoller said Communists, not Socialists.  Which they opposed because they were both fighting for the same power.  The whole point of that poem seems to lost on people, regardless.  Especially the SJWs and Antifa like groups, that the Left seems to be sticking up for and making excuses for, who wish to destroy the freedoms people have and order to silence them.

Aren't they the same thing according to the right-wing school of thought?



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He was not a socialist.... but he was not a capitalist, either.
He was just a dictator with crazy ideas.