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shikamaru317 said:
User reviews for this are substantially better than critic reviews so far. I have a feeling this is yet another case of movie critics showing that they are pompous idiots who can't tell a good movie from a bad movie.

User reviews are bullshit, just read some on Metacritic and you'll find out why. Out of the 140 user reviews, only 11 are "mixed". A lot of people just rate it as 10 if they want the movie to have a higher score or 0 if they want the movie to have a lower score. One of the feature reviews is someone saying "I do not understand the critics, although there were a couple of ridiculous moments" and giving it a 10/10. Meaning the person knows the movie has noticeable flaws but still gives it a 10/10.

Honestly, what do you think is more likely?

a) Film critics, adults who have been reviewing movies for a long time and studied to be able to argue and defend their points, and can lose their jobs if they just go crazy and give random grades without justifying them not being able to "tell a good movie from a bad movie" or
b) Users, kids included, who went to see the movie right when it released (and consequentially are most likely fans of the character) and can just give whatever grade they want without any consequences and who don't even have to justify anything, giving high grades just because they're fanboys?

irstupid said:

Don't trust critics, they are all purchased, biased, entitled garbage that think they are smarter than us peons.

I can't tell if that's irony or not, but the statement is so absurd that I'm just going to assume that it is, for my sanity's sake.

 

I don't understand the amount of hate I see directed toward critics in this forum. You know that the only difference between a critic and a normal person is that the critic is trained to defend their point, right? It makes no sense to trust the user reviews but not the critic reviews.

 



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Since making this thread the percentage jumped up to 31%
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/venom_2018/

 

So now it's better than Batman v Superman?

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LuccaCardoso1 said:
shikamaru317 said:
User reviews for this are substantially better than critic reviews so far. I have a feeling this is yet another case of movie critics showing that they are pompous idiots who can't tell a good movie from a bad movie.

User reviews are bullshit, just read some on Metacritic and you'll find out why. Out of the 140 user reviews, only 11 are "mixed". A lot of people just rate it as 10 if they want the movie to have a higher score or 0 if they want the movie to have a lower score. One of the feature reviews is someone saying "I do not understand the critics, although there were a couple of ridiculous moments" and giving it a 10/10. Meaning the person knows the movie has noticeable flaws but still gives it a 10/10.

Honestly, what do you think is more likely?

a) Film critics, adults who have been reviewing movies for a long time and studied to be able to argue and defend their points, and can lose their jobs if they just go crazy and give random grades without justifying them not being able to "tell a good movie from a bad movie" or
b) Users, kids included, who went to see the movie right when it released (and consequentially are most likely fans of the character) and can just give whatever grade they want without any consequences and who don't even have to justify anything, giving high grades just because they're fanboys?

irstupid said:

Don't trust critics, they are all purchased, biased, entitled garbage that think they are smarter than us peons.

I can't tell if that's irony or not, but the statement is so absurd that I'm just going to assume that it is, for my sanity's sake.

 

I don't understand the amount of hate I see directed toward critics in this forum. You know that the only difference between a critic and a normal person is that the critic is trained to defend their point, right? It makes no sense to trust the user reviews but not the critic reviews.

 

In this day and age I trust user reviews more than critic reviews for movies. The Last Jedi is a prime example of why, critics adored it, but it was a bad movie, I couldn't give it more than a 5/10 even if I ignored my preconceived expectations going in. I could list dozens of other examples where my own personal score deviated substantially from the critic average, and for those particular movies I find that my own score lies much closer to the user average than the critic average. 

Now games are another story, user reviews for games are total trash. Heavily influenced by console fanboyism and intense dislike of certain publishers. 

Last edited by shikamaru317 - on 05 October 2018

shikamaru317 said:
LuccaCardoso1 said:

User reviews are bullshit, just read some on Metacritic and you'll find out why. Out of the 140 user reviews, only 11 are "mixed". A lot of people just rate it as 10 if they want the movie to have a higher score or 0 if they want the movie to have a lower score. One of the feature reviews is someone saying "I do not understand the critics, although there were a couple of ridiculous moments" and giving it a 10/10. Meaning the person knows the movie has noticeable flaws but still gives it a 10/10.

Honestly, what do you think is more likely?

a) Film critics, adults who have been reviewing movies for a long time and studied to be able to argue and defend their points, and can lose their jobs if they just go crazy and give random grades without justifying them not being able to "tell a good movie from a bad movie" or
b) Users, kids included, who went to see the movie right when it released (and consequentially are most likely fans of the character) and can just give whatever grade they want without any consequences and who don't even have to justify anything, giving high grades just because they're fanboys?

I can't tell if that's irony or not, but the statement is so absurd that I'm just going to assume that it is, for my sanity's sake.

 

I don't understand the amount of hate I see directed toward critics in this forum. You know that the only difference between a critic and a normal person is that the critic is trained to defend their point, right? It makes no sense to trust the user reviews but not the critic reviews.

 

In this day and age I trust user reviews more than critic reviews for movies. The Last Jedi is a prime example of why, critics adored it, but it was a terrible movie, I couldn't give it more than a 5/10 even if I ignored my preconceived expectations going in. I could list dozens of other examples where my own personal score deviated substantially from the critic average, and for those particular movies I find that my own score lies much closer to the user average than the critic average. 

1) The Last Jedi got high grades because, despite it being a bad Star Wars movie, it is still a good movie (according to most critics). The critics are supposed to review a movie as a movie, not as a sequel.

2) Okay, you wouldn't give The Last Jedi more than a 5/10. Great. Most critics disagree. It's okay to disagree with the critics. I myself wouldn't give Frozen more than a 3/10, and you don't see me going around saying that critics can't tell a good movie from a bad movie because it has a Metascore of 74 and a 90% on RT. Because that's MY OPINION on the film, and it doesn't need to be in accordance with the critics. That doesn't mean the critics are bad at critiquing movies. That just means that they liked a movie I didn't.

3) Scores are surprisingly subjective. The level of quality I want a film to have before I give it an 8/10 is surely different from the level of quality you want a film to have before you give it an 8/10. Two people can enjoy a film exactly the same and give it radically different scores.

4) Critic scores for games usually align with your scores because a game involves much more technical aspects than a movie does. And technical aspects are much more objective than creative aspects. A game's score involves gameplay, bugs, etc., while a movie's score will mostly care about its story. That's why movie scores generally vary so much more than game scores too (Venom's scores vary between 12 and 75. Super Mario Party's scores vary between 60 and 90.)



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deskpro2k3 said:

Since making this thread the percentage jumped up to 31%
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/venom_2018/

 

So now it's better than Batman v Superman?

Venom's average rating is 4.5, BvS's is 4.9, so I wouldn't say that.



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100 million budget will save it.
My friends saw it and gave it between a 70 and 80. Means nothing. But also youtubuer Jeremy jahns gave it a fun time alcohol required I believe. So even he gave it about a 70 I think.

Anyways, even if it crashes hard the next few weeks it will do well for the company. In a few years they can go for an R rating.



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To be fair, the school I go to if you get a 30% or above on your test, you are considered gifted.



Are we shocked?



I usually don't trust RT with movie scores, but Metacritic has Venom at 35 right now so I'll trust their score .



SuaveSocialist said:
With a score like that, I am not going to see it. That’s pretty much the bottom rung of the DCFU.

aren't socialists supposed to fight the concept of hierarchies?

ot the trailers looked good but i haven't watched it