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AngryLittleAlchemist said:

I don't get your point. 

So you're saying that because you don't HAVE to use a headphone it only takes one device?

Most devices that incorporate voice chat don't require headphones. But people still use them. So you're creating a false equivalency.

Headsets are necessary for voice chat on consoles because controllers and systems don't have a microphone, thus a device is needed to use VOIP. At least on PC you could find a Laptop or monitor that has a built-in mic like mine does. Sony and Microsoft choose headsets because they allow for solo conversations. Nintendo's decision to use a phone? They historically preferred open mic solutions for voice chat, allowing everyone in a single room to listen and chat, and services like Discord proved phones can be decent open mics. And since everyone has a phone, there's no need to develop or include extra hardware to facilitate voice chat, when people already carry a device that can fill that role. It's not a perfect setup by any means, but you should understand the reasoning behind it. 

The point is that you only need your phone with the app open to use voice chat on Switch. It's not that different from only needing a headset to chat on other consoles. Sure, getting a headset-like setup is a bit more fiddly on Switch, and something that should be addressed as I mentioned because it is an issue, but it's not some needlessly complicated disaster many feared it to be. 



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TheMisterManGuy said:

Headsets are necessary for voice chat on consoles because controllers and systems don't have a microphone, thus a device is needed to use VOIP. 

So again we're back to square one 

If you want to use headphones, which 99.99% of people do 

it DOES take two items

You are over-explaining yourself for a point that's bad. 

People don't like using console voice chat like a phone call. 

There's nothing wrong with just adding this in as some little point but writing about it as if it is a huge point against everyone who mentions that the app is an over-complicated solution is nonsense



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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
TheMisterManGuy said:

Headsets are necessary for voice chat on consoles because controllers and systems don't have a microphone, thus a device is needed to use VOIP. 

So again we're back to square one 

If you want to use headphones, which 99.99% of people do 

it DOES take two items

You are over-explaining yourself for a point that's bad. 

People don't like using console voice chat like a phone call. 

There's nothing wrong with just adding this in as some little point but writing about it as if it is a huge point against everyone who mentions that the app is an over-complicated solution is nonsense

Yes, it's more fiddly if you want to chat with head phones on Switch due to the lack of any convenient way to combine both game and chat audio output. This is again, something that should be addressed. The point is that many people won't care about using headphones in most situations unless they're out in public. To those people who are playing at home, this setup is fine. Generally speaking, it's a concept that should be more fleshed out if it wants to be more useful. 



TheMisterManGuy said:

Yes, it's more fiddly if you want to chat with head phones on Switch due to the lack of any convenient way to combine both game and chat audio output. This is again, something that should be addressed. The point is that many people won't care about using headphones in most situations unless they're out in public. To those people who are playing at home, this setup is fine. Generally speaking, it's a concept that should be more fleshed out if it wants to be more useful. 

See that's a reasonable thing to say. I can accept that. The only thing I slightly disagree with is:

"The point is that many people won't care about using headphones in most situations unless they're out in public. "

Again I like what I am talking about to be mostly private, even if of course my side is going to be audible to my housemates. Headphones have been bought for consoles for like a decade so clearly this isn't entirely true although you could argue that's necessity but I think for the most part it's also convenience.

You are being fairly reasonable with your point, I think you are just going a bit too far in denying the comfort and convenience most people have with headphones. Personally, I like them, don't use them for consoles much though. 



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SKMBlake said:
All the fuzz about the negative features of the online is the same as the negative fuzz about the console itself - lack of games, small storage space, poor battery life - and now everyone is enjoying the console.

Pretty much this, and it’s all the exact same people as well.

I imagine they’re all whiny entitled millennials, probably living with their parents looking for handouts. One of them even had a thread with a petition to get Nintendo right above a petition to get his mommy to buy him a 4K TV. It was so ridiculous that many of us suspected it was satire until we found out otherwise.

tbough I agree that if I want to use voice chat I don’t want my phone involved - but I’m not going to get all depressed about it and take temper tantrums over it like some of the Online-Spartacuses in forums like this one.



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TheMisterManGuy said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

...

What?

Headphone = 1 device

Headphone + phone = 2 devices

This isn't complicated

Except you don't have to use headphones with the app. Just open it, and put it on a coffee table or counter. Yes, most would like an option to use a headset connected directly to the Switch, but you really don't need the Hori Splat and Chat mess that people initially feared. 

They could have included a Microphone built into the Switch as well.
Microphones are cheap, like a few cents cheap. Apparently Nintendo is cheaper.

Headsets are always going to be the preferred mode of communication for it's obvious benefits.

Running your Switch through a phone is NOT intuitive, it's slow, prone to issues (I.E. More weak links in the chain) and you unnecessarily drain the battery life of your cordless telecommunications device.

Jumpin said:

but I’m not going to get all depressed about it and take temper tantrums over it like some of the Online-Spartacuses in forums like this one.

I am going to voice my opinion, this is a forum, it's to be expected. Don't like it? Stiff. - Provided I adhere to the rules and standards that are typically governed.



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Pemalite said:

They could have included a Microphone built into the Switch as well.
Microphones are cheap, like a few cents cheap. Apparently Nintendo is cheaper.

Headsets are always going to be the preferred mode of communication for it's obvious benefits.

Running your Switch through a phone is NOT intuitive, it's slow, prone to issues (I.E. More weak links in the chain) and you unnecessarily drain the battery life of your cordless telecommunications device.



Yes, they could've included a mic, but they didn't (not sure why though), so this is what they have. A headset is only prefered by hardcore gamers due to it allowing for private communication. Nintendo doesn't target hardcore gamers the way Sony and Microsoft do though, so everything they do must involve the casual gamer, which means finding a method to appeal to them, thus open mic through phone. And again, most people who've used the app say it actually works well is way more intuitive than they thought. It's again, not the most perfectly implemented method, but it works and is easy to setup. BTW, the battery draining issues have been fixed in later updates as the app can now run in the background, even with the phone locked. 



TheMisterManGuy said:

Yes, they could've included a mic, but they didn't (not sure why though), so this is what they have.

Precisely. Hence why we are allowed to provide criticism where criticism is due.

TheMisterManGuy said:

A headset is only prefered by hardcore gamers due to it allowing for private communication.

Hardcore gamers? ...I don't wear a headset, I prefer my full 5.1 sound system.

TheMisterManGuy said:

Nintendo doesn't target hardcore gamers the way Sony and Microsoft do though, so everything they do must involve the casual gamer, which means finding a method to appeal to them, thus open mic through phone.

No way you spin it... Can make Nintendo's approach on this seem tenable. Hard Core or Casual, doesn't matter.
If anything it is even worst for a casual as they tend to be the last lot of people who want things to be more cumbersome and technical.

TheMisterManGuy said:

And again, most people who've used the app say it actually works well is way more intuitive than they thought. It's again, not the most perfectly implemented method, but it works and is easy to setup. BTW, the battery draining issues have been fixed in later updates as the app can now run in the background, even with the phone locked. 

The issue isn't if the app is working or not.
The issue is how cumbersome it is having to juggle other devices while you game, not to mention the extra battery drain.

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@Pemaliye, when you use your 5.1 surround sound system, do others complain about reverb?



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d21lewis said:
@Pemaliye, when you use your 5.1 surround sound system, do others complain about reverb?

Of course not. I live alone. (All single story houses with a ton of yard space here.)
Next to me is the fire station, you can guess the amount of noise that occurs every time I am called out to an emergency and the sirens go off.
A subwoofer is the least of anyone's concerns. Haha



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