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atoMsons said:
If you're not disgusted by this you're at least very biased against white people. The fact that you NEED to go against the grain of an established universe proves it. This isn't some made up story in a writers room that can be melded into which ever shape is needed and no one knows any better. The Witcher world is a carefully crafted world and characters from Andrzej Sapkowski, using his inspired mythos. Respect the work, it's art. Happens to be Eastern European based, and that means a lot of white people. Cast roles as they need to be cast. If Geralt is white, Ciri needs to be white. While not his daughter, they do have many similarities, such as complexion. This give this a father, daughter vibe. Ciri was a reward to Geralt from the Emperor, who is Ciri's actual father. Ciri is the daughter Geralt can never have (as all Witchers are sterile). If she turns into a black girl, all the sudden many of the small details of their relationship are just weird. She is a reflection of himself. If Sapkowski wanted her to be racially mixed, or colored, he would have done so. And if he did that, Sapkowski would have a reason within the world for it. But he didn't. Respect his vision, and stop trying to force your politics into his art.

Stop saying this is fictional work, it doesn't matter. The world is well defined over 13 books. It rivals the scale of Game of Thrones.

This all sounds well and good but didn't the writer of the book say he was ok with it.  If that is the case and knowing that he probably has seen the script and other decisions on casting for the series, does that not mean what you feel is important isn't.



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Runa216 said:

Thanks! You just provided multiple quotes that actually help me out. 

Who says that the 'minorities' within the world of The Witcher can't be shown as non-white for the sake of this adaptation. For, as you even wrote and quoted, Story comes first. If you think the color of the skin is more important than the themes and story being told, then that's on you. 

So I won't 'get off my high horse' because I'm not claiming to be superior. I'm right, and I won't apologize for that, but I'm not going to act like that makes me better than you. Knowing that I'm right doesn't make me arrogant or ignorant unless I simply think I'm right while being wrong, and that's not the case. I'm right both from a logical and moral standpoint, and while you could ARGUE that it would be better to keep the characters white because that's how you feel and that's how they've been portrayed in the past, I have given plenty of reasons why a studio could reasonably change that up, citing prior examples of races being swapped and it working out fine, as well as historical context as to why it might not be so bad even if it is just taking a role away from a white woman. 

If you chose to disregard my many points and the reasons I stand by my stance, that's fine, but don't pretend that I'm wrong becuase you're offended by the choice to do something you wouldn't personally have done. You have your reasons and that's fine, but it doesn't make you right. My arguments are far stronger and even the quotes you chose to present actually support my side as much - if not more - than yours. 

Holy crap. You're so far into the sky with your moral high ground BS that you can't even conceive that you only have an opinion. None of us hold ultimate truths here, there are some of us who wishes the adaptation would stick to the source material and some of you who think it's okay for them to change it. I can recognize that difference of ideas and say I'm willing to agree to disagree. But you?, you want to make it seem like yours is the only stance any person of reasonable discernment could take.

" I'm right both from a logical and moral standpoint"?, give me a freaking break. I don't care how many movies have blackwashed their cast. It's not okay and it will never be okay. Morality is and always will be subjective.

Question: If the situation was reversed and the main cast of the Witcher were all black yet the makers of the adaptation wanted to change Ciri and make her white, you wouldn't have any problem right?. After all, "it's just a fantasy character". Who cares right?. I'd like to know if you can at least stick to your guns or you're going to reach for a BS double standard.

Also, good job ignoring my reply post while you yourself replied to me  and claiming you were too busy and couldn't be bothered to engage in this thread further....while continuing to engage in this thread anyway. That really speaks volumes of your character.



Spike0503 said:
Runa216 said:

Thanks! You just provided multiple quotes that actually help me out. 

Who says that the 'minorities' within the world of The Witcher can't be shown as non-white for the sake of this adaptation. For, as you even wrote and quoted, Story comes first. If you think the color of the skin is more important than the themes and story being told, then that's on you. 

So I won't 'get off my high horse' because I'm not claiming to be superior. I'm right, and I won't apologize for that, but I'm not going to act like that makes me better than you. Knowing that I'm right doesn't make me arrogant or ignorant unless I simply think I'm right while being wrong, and that's not the case. I'm right both from a logical and moral standpoint, and while you could ARGUE that it would be better to keep the characters white because that's how you feel and that's how they've been portrayed in the past, I have given plenty of reasons why a studio could reasonably change that up, citing prior examples of races being swapped and it working out fine, as well as historical context as to why it might not be so bad even if it is just taking a role away from a white woman. 

If you chose to disregard my many points and the reasons I stand by my stance, that's fine, but don't pretend that I'm wrong becuase you're offended by the choice to do something you wouldn't personally have done. You have your reasons and that's fine, but it doesn't make you right. My arguments are far stronger and even the quotes you chose to present actually support my side as much - if not more - than yours. 

Holy crap. You're so far into the sky with your moral high ground BS that you can't even conceive that you only have an opinion. None of us hold ultimate truths here, there are some of us who wishes the adaptation would stick to the source material and some of you who think it's okay for them to change it. I can recognize that difference of ideas and say I'm willing to agree to disagree. But you?, you want to make it seem like yours is the only stance any person of reasonable discernment could take.

" I'm right both from a logical and moral standpoint"?, give me a freaking break. I don't care how many movies have blackwashed their cast. It's not okay and it will never be okay. Morality is and always will be subjective.

Question: If the situation was reversed and the main cast of the Witcher were all black yet the makers of the adaptation wanted to change Ciri and make her white, you wouldn't have any problem right?. After all, "it's just a fantasy character". Who cares right?. I'd like to know if you can at least stick to your guns or you're going to reach for a BS double standard.

Also, good job ignoring my reply post while you yourself replied to me  and claiming you were too busy and couldn't be bothered to engage in this thread further....while continuing to engage in this thread anyway. That really speaks volumes of your character.

I was tempted for a moment there to meticulously break down everything you said here and why it is wrong, but then I remembered that I have a job and a life and can't afford to spend the next three days arguing with you about a fundamental difference in ethics between you and I and why your stance is predicated on a faulty view of our world. 

I've read about Ciri, I've talked to friends and family who have read the books and played the games and everything I've read and everything I've heard supports the idea that Ciri's skin color is not relevant to the story. Her status as a unique and interesting character are, but that there's no reason why it matters beyond certain groups being insecure and whining over nothing. 

This is a non-issue. You are wrong on so many levels I don't have the time to explain them all, and I really should be doing something more productive with my day. 



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Runa216 said:

I was tempted for a moment there to meticulously break down everything you said here and why it is wrong, but then I remembered that I have a job and a life and can't afford to spend the next three days arguing with you about a fundamental difference in ethics between you and I and why your stance is predicated on a faulty view of our world. 

I've read about Ciri, I've talked to friends and family who have read the books and played the games and everything I've read and everything I've heard supports the idea that Ciri's skin color is not relevant to the story. Her status as a unique and interesting character are, but that there's no reason why it matters beyond certain groups being insecure and whining over nothing. 

This is a non-issue. You are wrong on so many levels I don't have the time to explain them all, and I really should be doing something more productive with my day. 

So in other words. "You are wrong but I don't have time to point out how you are wrong, bye.".

Cool, whatever. Thanks for playing!.

Pro-tip: If you are not going to reply to someone, don't reply to their post to begin with. It makes you look bad.

"This is a non-issue."

If that's the way you see it. Then let me give you another tip: STOP POSTING IN THIS THREAD. You obviously have much more important stuff to do, so instead of just making general comments without answering anyone you might as well just stop.



I DO have much more important things to do, but I think it's equally as important to try to educate others and explain why what you're saying is both tone-deaf and just a wee bit bigoted. It's important to educate and this is a teachable moment, but I get the impression based on how aggressively everyone is resisting reason in this thread that no amount of historical data, perspective, or logic would sway you.

Hence, no desire to go in detail explaining why you're wrong. you need to be advised on what you are doing wrong and what you are saying wrong, but you won't listen.



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Runa216 said:
I DO have much more important things to do, but I think it's equally as important to try to educate others and explain why what you're saying is both tone-deaf and just a wee bit bigoted. It's important to educate and this is a teachable moment, but I get the impression based on how aggressively everyone is resisting reason in this thread that no amount of historical data, perspective, or logic would sway you.

Hence, no desire to go in detail explaining why you're wrong. you need to be advised on what you are doing wrong and what you are saying wrong, but you won't listen.

And yet you wrote lines after lines after lines in the last few pages. 

It's now between the vomiting and the joke, you are just showing people how detestable the guys supporting that move can be. Completely wrong and yet certain that you're "educating us" when you're just making a fool of yourself. Keep thinking that you are superior to us, that you hold the Truth, and that you could guide our unworthy racist souls to the Light.

Unable to even read and understand anything we tell you, blind to any opposing argument, repeating the same off-topic stuff again and again, while saying "I don't have time, I have a life" (the only one with a life here, right?).

 

With the first comment, I thought you were someone interesting to debate with. I was really wrong apparently. Just keep talking to yourself in a mirror, you'll have more fun than talking with inferior people like us!

 

And by the way, I'm sure EA's PR is hiring, you should try ! You would be a great fit. 



Ka-pi96 said:
I couldn't really give a crap about this because I have no interest in The Witcher franchise, but I've got to ask, how come there seems to be some kind of obsession with insulting/belittling anybody that disagrees with them from people who like that they're doing this?

Because this argument reminds me of so many other situations where the majority feel repressed because hollywood wants to make positive change in the world. Too many instances of backlash against progress like 'all lives matter' or whining about 'sjw agendas'. It's not okay to be against diversity for the sole reason of some perceived slight against a majority group. It's not okay to pre-judge something based solely on skin colour (we don't know why they chose to do this yet). 

There are such things as right and wrong. It's fine to be put off by the idea that your race could be excluded from a role, but it's dangerous to pull in all these irrelevant points as some sort of justification for one's discomfort. That's why I act morally outraged by this. It's the same sort of hateful, misguided, dangerous rhetoric that helped Trump get elected and helped neo-nazis have a voice again. This is not the exact same, but it's close enough and it's not okay. 



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Ka-pi96 said:
I couldn't really give a crap about this because I have no interest in The Witcher franchise, but I've got to ask, how come there seems to be some kind of obsession with insulting/belittling anybody that disagrees with them from people who like that they're doing this?

It's pretty sad, but usually it's just nobodies wanting to feel superior. They have no arguments, nothing interesting to say, so they rely on the "If you disagree with me you're a nazi", and it makes them feel superior, so it makes their day. 

The Godwin point used to be the proof that someone lost a debate. For SJWs, it's their opening (and usually only) argument. That tells you enough about the validity of their cause and opinion.

 

EDIT: Oh, and what a surprise, he brought Trump and neo-nazis in his last comment. The joke writes itself...



Spike0503 said:
Runa216 said:

I was tempted for a moment there to meticulously break down everything you said here and why it is wrong, but then I remembered that I have a job and a life and can't afford to spend the next three days arguing with you about a fundamental difference in ethics between you and I and why your stance is predicated on a faulty view of our world. 

I've read about Ciri, I've talked to friends and family who have read the books and played the games and everything I've read and everything I've heard supports the idea that Ciri's skin color is not relevant to the story. Her status as a unique and interesting character are, but that there's no reason why it matters beyond certain groups being insecure and whining over nothing. 

This is a non-issue. You are wrong on so many levels I don't have the time to explain them all, and I really should be doing something more productive with my day. 

So in other words. "You are wrong but I don't have time to point out how you are wrong, bye.".

Cool, whatever. Thanks for playing!.

Pro-tip: If you are not going to reply to someone, don't reply to their post to begin with. It makes you look bad.

"This is a non-issue."

If that's the way you see it. Then let me give you another tip: STOP POSTING IN THIS THREAD. You obviously have much more important stuff to do, so instead of just making general comments without answering anyone you might as well just stop.

Don't forget the "I have read it isn't a problem case closed", "you are racist for not agreeing to change the material, but the people that need someone of a specific color to play a role in the series to watch aren't racist". The reason that is like that is because there isn't racism inside the bubble of moral high ground.



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Runa216 said:
HoloDust said:

Get of your high horse Runa, nobody gives a rats ass about your holier than thou attitude.
You obviosuly have no clue about Witcher lore, so instead of trying to "educate" people with your rhetorics, go learn something about it.

And once again:

Sapkowski never said anything about wether he agrees on Ciri's casting in the show. He is not consultant on the show.
Ciri is portrayed in books as white, false Ciri is portrayed as white as well.

 

Sapkowski, May 2017:

“I’m thrilled that Netflix will be doing an adaptation of my stories, staying true to the source material and the themes that I have spent over thirty years writing.”

 

Sapkowski, January 2018:

I do not take part in the work on the series. Books are books, games are games, and film adaptations are film adaptations.” That’s all I can say at the moment. I have signed a contract under which I am punished if I say something more.”

 

Hissrich, May 2018:

The answer is: I will not deviate from the books’ races and cultures, which means I WILL include minorities. The trap people fall into is equating “minority” with skin color.

Will I move through the book and start changing people’s cultural heritage or ethnic makeup or gender because I’m feeling really “liberal” that day? No. That’s ridiculous and contrary to what ANY writer would do, because we are storytellers. Story comes first.

But will there be minorities? Yes. A man would be a minority in Brokilon Forest. A person of color would be a minority in a small village. An islander would be an minority in Cintra. Mr. Sapkowski has said — publicly, and to me — that the Continent is big and diverse — in its population, in every way (race, culture, gender, and yes, occasionally skin color, which he said he did not always specify). I’m not sure how people insinuate I’m destroying the books by recognizing that. I’m honoring the author’s own intentions. He told me so himself.

Thanks! You just provided multiple quotes that actually help me out. 

Who says that the 'minorities' within the world of The Witcher can't be shown as non-white for the sake of this adaptation. For, as you even wrote and quoted, Story comes first. If you think the color of the skin is more important than the themes and story being told, then that's on you. 

So I won't 'get off my high horse' because I'm not claiming to be superior. I'm right, and I won't apologize for that, but I'm not going to act like that makes me better than you. Knowing that I'm right doesn't make me arrogant or ignorant unless I simply think I'm right while being wrong, and that's not the case. I'm right both from a logical and moral standpoint, and while you could ARGUE that it would be better to keep the characters white because that's how you feel and that's how they've been portrayed in the past, I have given plenty of reasons why a studio could reasonably change that up, citing prior examples of races being swapped and it working out fine, as well as historical context as to why it might not be so bad even if it is just taking a role away from a white woman. 

If you chose to disregard my many points and the reasons I stand by my stance, that's fine, but don't pretend that I'm wrong becuase you're offended by the choice to do something you wouldn't personally have done. You have your reasons and that's fine, but it doesn't make you right. My arguments are far stronger and even the quotes you chose to present actually support my side as much - if not more - than yours. 

No, you are not right, you have an opinion, which you're trying to shove down people's throat from your high horse, and as I said, I don't give rats ass about any of that.
You even think that quotes help you...oh dear, your distortion field is just hilarious.

All I gathered so far about you is just showing how ignorant you are about Witcher lore and how much forced diversity is important to you.