Neil Druckman and the current state of Naughty Dog
Does the inclusion of women in BFV bother you? | |||
| Yes | 15 | 22.06% | |
| No | 53 | 77.94% | |
| Total: | 68 | ||
Errorist76 said:
This was also ridiculous and yes, I agree that a lot of this overly PC stuff is also overblown. But do me a favour: Please list me the games where you think ‘SWJ’-measures ruined a game. |
I think that don't you get what "sjw agenda is ruining gaming" means. It's affecting game sales at the very least because it turns people off. Video games are escapism for some. They don't want to see sjw talking points injected into games (especially existing IPs).
That DOA volleyball game isn't getting ported because of sjws. Kingdom Come Deliverance got shitted all over by game journos for not being progressive. I'm pretty sure Mafia 3 hurt that IP (I actually like the game but I can see how it bother fans of the IP) Outfits and animations got changed in several games because it offended some sjws.
Gamers just don't want sjws to do what they did to Thor (comic), Captain America (comic), Star Wars, Ghostbusters, etc. Just leave our shit alone and create your own IPs (like crunchyroll did with High Guardian Spice) but don't expect anyone else to watch or play.

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I'm a black male with a teenage daughter. I want her to grow up thinking that there's nothing she can't do or be of she makes the right decisions. On that same note, we live in a real world. There are things that have happened and it's okay for history to reflect that. If it happened, it happened. I personally hate being pandered to. It disgusts me. If I were a woman, I don't think I'd be too keen on that either. Don't project your fantasy on me because you think that's what I want to see. Tell the story you want to tell with the characters you want to use.
There are physical differences between men and women. Generally speaking, we have different strengths. We have different weaknesses. Writing a story where a woman is better at being a man feels akin to writing a story where a fish is better at being a lion than a real lion.
I have no problems with BFV having women. If they were going for historical accurate then yes sure it doesnt make since for the SP. However in MP? That is a stupid thing to complain about.
People complained about Resident Evil 5 and its mostly just killing black zombies? Well no shit, its set in Africa ya dumbass. Some games do an amazing job of inclusion. But its the notion of taking away the game and focusing "Girl power power!" or "We are such a diverse cast!" If they did the same thing for men id act the same way. If they focused on guys saying Men power bullshit as well. Guess thats why I play JRPG's because its friendship power and not gender power.
| OdinHades said: I really don't care. If some people decide to make a game, they have the right to do whatever the hell they want in my book. I will just decide if I like it or not. That is all. If I was so keen on having a game with any political agenda, I would just make it myself. But generally, I am in favor of artistical freedom. Whether or not an artist is driven by political motives doesn't matter. He can do whatever the hell he likes in his work as far as I'm concerned. So bring on WW2 games with transgender soldiers. I probably won't buy it, but I won't cry about it either. But that's just me, what the hell do I know. |
I think its more like they're making creative differences so they can pander to SJWs. Even if the audience predominately doesn't care about that shit.
AAA games are generally a large team of people, not just a vision by a single person or few people. Hence, its more like artistic freedom is dying in hopes of appealing to everybody and not being accused of racism, sexism, and all the other isms.
PERSONALLY, I don't really care. Studios can create whatever games they want. However, its primarily SJWs that complain about the content studios create and pushing the narrative its hurting women, minorities, etc.
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| Mr Puggsly said: However, its primarily SJWs that complain about the content studios create and pushing the narrative its hurting women, minorities, etc. |
I hardly ever hear about SJW's complaining about the poor representation of minorities/women etc'.
But if this forum is any indication... The Anti-SJW demographic seems to complain the loudest and the most frequently.
It's honestly becoming rather droll at this point.
The fact of the matter is... SJW's are allowed to criticize whatever they desire, just like their opponents are allowed to criticize SJW's... In the end, they are both as bad as each other.

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Pemalite said:
I hardly ever hear about SJW's complaining about the poor representation of minorities/women etc'. |
This forum is full of cool reasonable people, therefore you will see SJWs mocked. The average SJW won't be on this forum, they would hate the mods for letting us spread hate speech, violent language, and not enough white guilt.
We don't mind SJWs complaining, in the US we got freedom of speech thing the world generally lacks. SJWs not big fans of freedom of speech though, its evident from how often they try to silence people with opposing views.
Any who, I already said I don't really care if studios want to pander to SJWs. Most of us were just asking for better games. If they can do that and include an Islamic transgender protagonist that lays waste to toxic masculinity, cool beans.
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haxxiy said:
If there is a desert right next to a rainforest, with no rainshadow etc. between them, I'll be intrigued if the developer has any idea of what he's doing. Same if there were bananas and palm trees growing in the tundra, cactuses in swamps, or there are lizards and amphibians strolling in the snow. That would just scream of laziness and incompetence. If you are OK with it and think I'm "locking" developers instead, well, I'm just reply you have a low threshold for idiocy then, and we'll settle it right there. Fantasy does not give one a carte blanche to do any of this. Those worlds have all apparently the same laws of physics as ours, so I'm judging based on what I know is logical and makes sense. Most of them, indeed, do not even bother to set air density, gravity, axial tilt, day length etc. any different from Earth whatsoever, and it's not just about physical attributes, since social institutions, technological development etc. all often follow the same damn path as ours. For instance, Ursula K. Le Guin's Earthsea, for some reason, has light-skinned and blonde people living east of the same archipelago, the only land in the planet, as the dark-skinned protagonists. I'm bothered by their existence, since there's no reason whatsoever for both groups to be that different given the role of pigmentation on humans. Although, unlike Dragon Age: Inquisition, Le Guin actually created a good work of fiction, and did not have Google or Wikipedia to research in a few minutes information she might have ignored. |
As a proponent for the complete freedom of art and fiction I am curious to know why you think it should not be done. I understand proposing diversity and strengthening civil rights while fighting against oppression of minorities but what does that have to do with fiction? It's not like fiction is taught in schools or used as justification in politics. Fiction is meant to entertain an audience. That audience can be diverse or very specific and it can also appeal to both at the same time. Are you arguing that fiction or art in general has to always appeal to the broadest audience possible? Because that sounds pretty dangerous.
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Pemalite said:
I hardly ever hear about SJW's complaining about the poor representation of minorities/women etc'. |
Is your head in the sand or something? That's all they ever bitch about (also about shit offending them). Just with Kingdom Come Deliverance alone, gaming journos/sjws on the net lost their shit because the dev didn't put a bunch of "minorities" in the game. I agree with the free speech bit towards the end.
