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SpokenTruth said:
DonFerrari said:

I tried to combine the numbers whenever I could see they on the list, but VGC listing may not be the best all the time.

My lower section is how many franchises currently have a shot of crossing 10M (thus why I put GT as a doubt, AC and SMB also not secured 10M yet) since I don't think Wii Sports, Duck Hunt and Nintendogs will cross 10M again.

Yes PS2 is something that have plenty 1M seller and some strong niche games, but not many 10M+.

Sorry, I'm referring to the middle section.

Animal Crossing, Brain Training, Smash Brothers, Pokemon, Wii Fit have already passed 10 million by a single game.

Also, are they making another Horizon Zero Dawn game?  You have it listed as a franchise that might have a 10 million seller this generation and the first game still has 5 million to go (well, not really but by VGC numbers at least).

On the middle section it may be that Nintendo having to many 10M+ I just forgot to mention all those =p

It is a rumor for HZD2. And on the last section I was using potential (thus I gone over what VGC have since we know HZD is closer to 8M and there is a chance of it crossing 10M on this release or potentially on a sequel) that is why I made a small explanation inside () for the titles that wouldn't be "certain" to reach 10M.

Still it shows Nintendo for the near future should stay with most potential 10M+ sellers IPs with Sony approaching it, but still to prove it can do it consistently.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Ka-pi96 said:
DonFerrari said:

Nope, I have summed the multiple outings on the platform (I certainly wouldn't sum Fifa 14+15+16+17+18 as one, but I summed 15 for all platforms).

Yeah, I realised that. See the edit though, the EA figure is still too low.

It could be due to VGC numbers being incorrect.

But certainly if anyone can show some franchise I didn't mention on the OP I'll be glad to add. From SpokenTruth remembering seems like I need to add some Nintendo ones =]



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

GOWTLOZ said:

Rockstar isn't a publisher. Take Two is the publisher. Borderlands and Borderlands 2 sold 10 million as well as some NBA 2K games I'm sure, so add them.

Rockstar are owned by Take Two, but they are still a publisher.



DonFerrari said:
GOWTLOZ said:

Borderlands 2 sold 12 million in 3 years. https://in.ign.com/borderlands-2/74307/news/borderlands-2-sales-pass-the-12-million-mark

Don't have sales numbers for any NBA 2K game but maybe look it up.

Warner Bros has Arkham City on VGC above 10 million if I'm not wrong, Arkham Asylum and Knight are above 10 million in the real world for sure but Knight in particular is heavily undertracked here. Arkham Knight sold 5 million in 4 months. MK 10 sold 5 million in 6 months and the 2 games got complete editions after those sales. 

Yes I checked WB, you can see on the edit on OP.

Borderlands on VGC doesn't sum over 10M, I double checked.

Ka-pi96 said:
Thread is flawed since you're doing it by individual SKU instead of actual game sales. That's both inaccurate and massively biased in favour of exclusives.

Nope, I have summed the multiple outings on the platform (I certainly wouldn't sum Fifa 14+15+16+17+18 as one, but I summed 15 for all platforms).

You should use accurate figures wherever available, which would make it a better chart in my opinion :)

Like games where official figures are way above VGC figures are obviously poorly tracked and for some games official figures are either not available else really dated. There VGC figures are probably the better estimation of sales.

Also, in addition to the games Kapi stated, NFS Most Wanted from 2005 sold 16 million units.



DonFerrari said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Yeah, I realised that. See the edit though, the EA figure is still too low.

It could be due to VGC numbers being incorrect.

But certainly if anyone can show some franchise I didn't mention on the OP I'll be glad to add. From SpokenTruth remembering seems like I need to add some Nintendo ones =]

I listed them in the edit...

"Every FIFA since 10 has done over 10m (so 8 in total), as did Battlefield 3/4/1, Battlefront, Need for Speed Underground 1/2 and The Sims 3"



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DonFerrari said:
SpokenTruth said:

Sorry, I'm referring to the middle section.

Animal Crossing, Brain Training, Smash Brothers, Pokemon, Wii Fit have already passed 10 million by a single game.

Also, are they making another Horizon Zero Dawn game?  You have it listed as a franchise that might have a 10 million seller this generation and the first game still has 5 million to go (well, not really but by VGC numbers at least).

On the middle section it may be that Nintendo having to many 10M+ I just forgot to mention all those =p

It is a rumor for HZD2. And on the last section I was using potential (thus I gone over what VGC have since we know HZD is closer to 8M and there is a chance of it crossing 10M on this release or potentially on a sequel) that is why I made a small explanation inside () for the titles that wouldn't be "certain" to reach 10M.

Still it shows Nintendo for the near future should stay with most potential 10M+ sellers IPs with Sony approaching it, but still to prove it can do it consistently.

Ah, rumor.  I have a friend obsessed with the game.  I was about to tell him a sequel was incoming. Glad I waited.


I'll help fill in with other games.  Are you keeping your list to a single SKU, single platform maker or across anything and everything? 



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GOWTLOZ said:
DonFerrari said:

Yes I checked WB, you can see on the edit on OP.

Borderlands on VGC doesn't sum over 10M, I double checked.

Nope, I have summed the multiple outings on the platform (I certainly wouldn't sum Fifa 14+15+16+17+18 as one, but I summed 15 for all platforms).

You should use accurate figures wherever available, which would make it a better chart in my opinion :)

Like games where official figures are way above VGC figures are obviously poorly tracked and for some games official figures are either not available else really dated. There VGC figures are probably the better estimation of sales.

Also, in addition to the games Kapi stated, NFS Most Wanted from 2005 sold 16 million units.

Well if I used for one I would have to use for all, and that would be an herculean effort. VGC already have threads for us to give sources for more accurate numbers and they will correcting the mistakes along the way.

Ka-pi96 said:
DonFerrari said:

It could be due to VGC numbers being incorrect.

But certainly if anyone can show some franchise I didn't mention on the OP I'll be glad to add. From SpokenTruth remembering seems like I need to add some Nintendo ones =]

I listed them in the edit...

"Every FIFA since 10 has done over 10m (so 8 in total), as did Battlefield 3/4/1, Battlefront, Need for Speed Underground 1/2 and The Sims 3"

Thanks Man.

Will also try and edit the table to show the totals of publishers better. Work for after lunch.

SpokenTruth said:
DonFerrari said:

On the middle section it may be that Nintendo having to many 10M+ I just forgot to mention all those =p

It is a rumor for HZD2. And on the last section I was using potential (thus I gone over what VGC have since we know HZD is closer to 8M and there is a chance of it crossing 10M on this release or potentially on a sequel) that is why I made a small explanation inside () for the titles that wouldn't be "certain" to reach 10M.

Still it shows Nintendo for the near future should stay with most potential 10M+ sellers IPs with Sony approaching it, but still to prove it can do it consistently.

Ah, rumor.  I have a friend obsessed with the game.  I was about to tell him a sequel was incoming. Glad I waited.


I'll help fill in with other games.  Are you keeping your list to a single SKU, single platform maker or across anything and everything? 

Yep, people expected it to be revealed at this E3, others expect it to release on PS5 launch. It is a good game worth waiting for.

I'm trying to sum everything that "is the same".

Like for Street Fighter 2 I counted all editions on all platforms I found on VGC that had reasonable numbers, same for Resident Evil and remakes. But sequels I have counted each separate (like if RE2 or 4 crosses 10M with all their ports and remakes would add as well). Does that make sense on what you were asking?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:

Yep, people expected it to be revealed at this E3, others expect it to release on PS5 launch. It is a good game worth waiting for.

I'm trying to sum everything that "is the same".

Like for Street Fighter 2 I counted all editions on all platforms I found on VGC that had reasonable numbers, same for Resident Evil and remakes. But sequels I have counted each separate (like if RE2 or 4 crosses 10M with all their ports and remakes would add as well). Does that make sense on what you were asking?

That helps.  Finally, VGC numbers only or anything "official"?  Include digital downloads or just retail?



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DonFerrari said:
GOWTLOZ said:

You should use accurate figures wherever available, which would make it a better chart in my opinion :)

Like games where official figures are way above VGC figures are obviously poorly tracked and for some games official figures are either not available else really dated. There VGC figures are probably the better estimation of sales.

Also, in addition to the games Kapi stated, NFS Most Wanted from 2005 sold 16 million units.

Well if I used for one I would have to use for all, and that would be an herculean effort. VGC already have threads for us to give sources for more accurate numbers and they will correcting the mistakes along the way.

Ka-pi96 said:

I listed them in the edit...

"Every FIFA since 10 has done over 10m (so 8 in total), as did Battlefield 3/4/1, Battlefront, Need for Speed Underground 1/2 and The Sims 3"

Thanks Man.

Will also try and edit the table to show the totals of publishers better. Work for after lunch.

SpokenTruth said:

Ah, rumor.  I have a friend obsessed with the game.  I was about to tell him a sequel was incoming. Glad I waited.


I'll help fill in with other games.  Are you keeping your list to a single SKU, single platform maker or across anything and everything? 

Yep, people expected it to be revealed at this E3, others expect it to release on PS5 launch. It is a good game worth waiting for.

I'm trying to sum everything that "is the same".

Like for Street Fighter 2 I counted all editions on all platforms I found on VGC that had reasonable numbers, same for Resident Evil and remakes. But sequels I have counted each separate (like if RE2 or 4 crosses 10M with all their ports and remakes would add as well). Does that make sense on what you were asking?

VGC wouldn't correct their mistakes. Sony revealed God of War series sales as of May 2012 in June of that year and VGC numbers of the games released till then are still behind those figures, 6 years later, even as some of them continued to sell for years to come. All those sales were retail by the way, so no excuse of digital being a factor.

Like you said, Borderlands 2 is still tracked far behind its real sales, which were revealed in March 2015. Its 3 years and we still haven't caught up.

NFS Most Wanted sales were revealed at 16 million in 2009, and its still behind on VGC 9 years post figures.

VGC figures for Arkham Knight are just above 6 million, so selling 5 million in 3 months, did the game just sell 1 million in the next 3 years. Witcher 3 is heavily undertracked as well.

VGC only deals with retail sales, which aren't very accurate, and missing digital sales is missing a massive portion of PC sales which has grown tremendously and even console digital sales routinely hit 30 to 55% these days.



I think Mojang published a game that became kinda popular.