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What should they do with 2D Mario?

More NSMB is fine 2 6.06%
 
Just needs a new art and music style 4 12.12%
 
New art/music plus new modes/features 7 21.21%
 
Complete overhaul, like O... 16 48.48%
 
Transition to 3D Land/World style, 2D is dead 1 3.03%
 
Fully kill off 2D Mario, ... 3 9.09%
 
Total:33
DélioPT said:
I really liked the Wii U version. It was actually the best of the 3 NSMB games i played (didn't play the 3DS game).
But when i tried to play it a second time, it was really hard for me to play it again. On the other hand, i had a blast replaying Mario 3D World.

The style of the game is just unnatractive. It really, REALLY needs a full overhaul.

There's a few things Nintendo can try:
They can go back to the 16-bit style - as in, go retro; they can also really make something new: forget playing with adult Mario, give me a teen like Mario and Luigi in a more stylised world.

Using a more kid/teen Mario would be something that Nintendo hasn't tried and it could help set the ambience for a different attitude for all characters, to give the story more relevance and also the relationship between Mario and Peach.

The idea of Teen Mario just makes me think of Sonic the Hedgehog, which makes me think of this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tEJgS3Y3hE



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HylianSwordsman said:
DélioPT said:
I really liked the Wii U version. It was actually the best of the 3 NSMB games i played (didn't play the 3DS game).
But when i tried to play it a second time, it was really hard for me to play it again. On the other hand, i had a blast replaying Mario 3D World.

The style of the game is just unnatractive. It really, REALLY needs a full overhaul.

There's a few things Nintendo can try:
They can go back to the 16-bit style - as in, go retro; they can also really make something new: forget playing with adult Mario, give me a teen like Mario and Luigi in a more stylised world.

Using a more kid/teen Mario would be something that Nintendo hasn't tried and it could help set the ambience for a different attitude for all characters, to give the story more relevance and also the relationship between Mario and Peach.

The idea of Teen Mario just makes me think of Sonic the Hedgehog, which makes me think of this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tEJgS3Y3hE

Not that kind of teen Mario! That's for sure. :D

Really, just you usual Mario but with more "spirit".

The story: Bowser uses a time machine to try and defeat Mario, Luigi and friends in their past (weaker selfs) and starts the endless story of kidnapped Peach. The adventure of a lifetime! :D



HylianSwordsman said:
CaptainExplosion said:

I'd like Nintendo to give 2D Mario a new art style and style of music. Oh, and some new kinds of gameplay modes of course.

They need to go back to full 2D sprites and animations, because if Sonic can do it why not Mario?

We should also have some new playable characters. They already made Princess Daisy playable in Super Mario Run, so why not in a main line 2D Mario? She'd also have to have her own unique abilities to counter Peach's hovering, like maybe a dash attack. Another good new playable character could be Professor E. Gadd, since he could use the Poltergust 5000 to draw in items and stick to walls, but would have to have weaker jumps and a slower run to balance him. Also, have Yoshi as a playable character instead of just a power-up you can ride on.

New power ups of course would be a must, but I can't really think of too many good ones. At least bring back the best ones from past Mario games, like the Cape Feather or the Hammer Suit.

I was thinking about new playable characters. I definitely like the idea of Daisy, and Super Mario Run means she's possible. Super Mario 64 DS had Wario and had Yoshi directly playable, so that's possible as well. It might be fun to have characters that unlock throughout the journey as you save them, that let you revisit old levels and find new exits with their new abilities. Anything to make the game feel like a journey like Super Mario World did instead of just 8 sets of levels and a Bowser fight like pretty much every NSMB game and even 3D Land and 3D World did.

Instead of E. Gadd being playable though, I'd thought it'd be cooler if he were a side character that made wearable, game-changing gadgets like he did in Sunshine and Luigi's Mansion, except on a per level basis instead of something you wear for the whole game. Remember how having Yoshi as a mount in SMW was a huge game changer, in that it introduced a fundamentally new game mechanic never before seen in a Mario game? The gadgets would be a way to have that feeling again. 2D Mario hasn't gotten anything like that since then. Just more powerups, but every game has new powerups. Yoshi as a mount was kind of like a powerup, but he was fundamentally different from the consumable item powerups. The E. Gadd gadgets would be like Yoshi in that way, adding a fundamentally new game mechanic. Maybe all the stars they've been hiding in 2D Mario levels lately unlock new gadgets, which allow you to revisit old levels for new paths and exits. Between that and new character abilities, and a secret world like Star World, you could create a much more memorable game than any of the NSMB games.

I also forgot that in Super Mario Run Daisy had a double jump. I kinda like the idea of the E. Gadd gadgets. :)

HylianSwordsman said:
DélioPT said:
I really liked the Wii U version. It was actually the best of the 3 NSMB games i played (didn't play the 3DS game).
But when i tried to play it a second time, it was really hard for me to play it again. On the other hand, i had a blast replaying Mario 3D World.

The style of the game is just unnatractive. It really, REALLY needs a full overhaul.

There's a few things Nintendo can try:
They can go back to the 16-bit style - as in, go retro; they can also really make something new: forget playing with adult Mario, give me a teen like Mario and Luigi in a more stylised world.

Using a more kid/teen Mario would be something that Nintendo hasn't tried and it could help set the ambience for a different attitude for all characters, to give the story more relevance and also the relationship between Mario and Peach.

The idea of Teen Mario just makes me think of Sonic the Hedgehog, which makes me think of this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tEJgS3Y3hE

Oh god, that's horrifying!!



Bofferbrauer2 said:

While this is not totally to the theme of the thread, I'm waiting for a Super Mario Bros that has both 2D and 3D levels, and uses all Powerups Mario ever had in his history (including the switches and Switch castles from Super Mario World)

I would love something like this, more similar things from Odyssey and some past Paper Mario games.

 

CarcharodonKraz said: 
How about charging $40 or less for it? Hard pressed to think of another company that charges $60 for a 2d side scroller in 2018. Let alone almost every year. That'd be the biggest thing they could do for the next 2d mario in my opinion. Same with kirby, yoshi, donkey kong, and any other 2d game they come out with.

DKTF is also port existing of 2D game and has price point of $60, game already sold 1.4m for one quarter alone. In other words this port will also be $60.



I think OP and some posts where it seems like we will have only one type of game, but IMO, games like Odyssey, SM3DW2, Mario Maker2 and brand new 2D Mario could easily coexist on same platform because they are different enough.



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I would be happy with New Super Mario World, updated 2d graphics, local and online multiplayer, stage creation and other additions.



     


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Miyamotoo said:
I think OP and some posts where it seems like we will have only one type of game, but IMO, games like Odyssey, SM3DW2, Mario Maker2 and brand new 2D Mario could easily coexist on same platform because they are different enough.

I'm not sure what about my original post implied that we could only have one type, but if you're referring to the poll, it was added later and the "no more 2D Mario" choices reflected attitudes in some of the posts I read, I wanted to make sure they had an option to choose. If I'd noticed the "Mario Maker is the end of 2D Mario" posts, I'd have put that in the poll too, but I don't want to reset the poll so I'm not adding it.

I personally am absolutely certain we will have more than one type. I mean we already have Odyssey and are apparently getting NSMBU, and the NSMB series existed alongside 3D Land/3D World on two systems now, and Mario Maker seems destined to get a sequel if not at least a port, so I see no reason why Odyssey style, 3D World style, traditional 2D Mario, and Mario Maker couldn't all exist on Switch. In fact I responded to Bofferbrauer saying I liked his idea too and I don't see why Mario Maker couldn't include 3D elements as well. We're limited only by what Nintendo is willing to try, and they don't hesitate to give us all the Mario we can handle, so you can bet we'll get 2D Mario eventually, 3DW2 eventually, Mario Maker 2 eventually, and maybe something new entirely someday. This thread wasn't really asking if 2D Mario was done, but rather what Nintendo could do to switch that particular type of Mario up a bit, because a lot of people think it's gotten stale lately with the current style. I really hope they do change up the style a good bit, if not a complete overhaul, because really, NSMB is the first time in 2D Mario history that we got multiple games in the same style, and while that's not inherently bad I think Nintendo overdid it.



Miyamotoo said:
I think OP and some posts where it seems like we will have only one type of game, but IMO, games like Odyssey, SM3DW2, Mario Maker2 and brand new 2D Mario could easily coexist on same platform because they are different enough.

You mean they should try a Mario Metroidvania? Sounds pretty crazy.



CaptainExplosion said:
Miyamotoo said:
I think OP and some posts where it seems like we will have only one type of game, but IMO, games like Odyssey, SM3DW2, Mario Maker2 and brand new 2D Mario could easily coexist on same platform because they are different enough.

You mean they should try a Mario Metroidvania? Sounds pretty crazy.

Did you mean to reply to mine? I mean yeah, it would be a pretty good idea, think about it. The thing I said earlier with E.Gadd's gadgets and unlocking lots of characters with different abilities is already halfway there.



HylianSwordsman said:
CaptainExplosion said:

You mean they should try a Mario Metroidvania? Sounds pretty crazy.

Did you mean to reply to mine? I mean yeah, it would be a pretty good idea, think about it. The thing I said earlier with E.Gadd's gadgets and unlocking lots of characters with different abilities is already halfway there.

I don't know if it'd have a very big crowd though, since the crowd for Super Mario Odyssey is gigantic in comparison.