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Do you Approve of President Trump?

Yes 42 39.62%
 
No 59 55.66%
 
In the middle. 5 4.72%
 
Total:106
Aeolus451 said:
Megiddo said:

I see a pay-walled WSJ article and then articles talking about the pay-walled WSJ article. Unless you have the report being quoted in the WSJ in full so I can read it, this doesn't help your case a bit.

That's so intellectually honest of ya. How's your cognitive dissonance going for ya?

Asking to be able to read a report is intellectually honest. None of the articles even cited the names of the economists who were questioned. That's something the report will have. Now you asking me to blindly believe a report that I can't even read is intellectually dishonest.



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Megiddo said:
RaptorChrist said:

I feel the urge to comment here. It almost seems like your goal is to just degrade someone than to actually prove a point. Obviously he knows that the number 0.8 is less than 3.0, and obviously you know that he knows that. I can understand if you overreacted, but do you really want other people reading your posts and seeing you insult someone's intelligence? 

When people say stupid things they deserve to be called out for saying stupid things. I have no issue insulting intelligence if what being presented as an argument is not intelligent.  The original post was bad. I gave the user plenty of lee-way to back out of the original post. The user kept digging in so I had to piece by piece prove why it was a fallacious argument.

I guess I was just trying to let you know that it reflects poorly back on you when you say things like that.



RaptorChrist said:
Megiddo said:

When people say stupid things they deserve to be called out for saying stupid things. I have no issue insulting intelligence if what being presented as an argument is not intelligent.  The original post was bad. I gave the user plenty of lee-way to back out of the original post. The user kept digging in so I had to piece by piece prove why it was a fallacious argument.

I guess I was just trying to let you know that it reflects poorly back on you when you say things like that.

I'm not here to coddle anyone. If speaking truth and debating with facts reflects poorly on me, then so be it.



SpokenTruth said:
irstupid said:

Trump could walk into every single person house in America and give every person a million dollars cash and cure cancer and still 50% of the country would think he is the next Hitler.

Our country has become such a hateful partisanship place that looking at past ratings versus now is meaningless.

Conversely, he could also insult our military, veterans, people of color, women, immigrants, foreign countries, our intelligence community, sexually assault women, defraud students, defraud contractors, cheat on his wives multiple times, pay off porn stars, violate campaign finance laws, open nepotism, etc.....and half the country will love him doing it.

I would blame that on the media. When 90% of those are cherry picking situations and blowing them out of proportion. Such as when asked about MS13, he calls them animals. And then to this day still, the media is not only loudly yelling that Trump called all immigrants animals, but they also have rolled out a frighteningly large number of articles and shows defending and trying to downplay the MS13 gang as not bad people.

So, yes, half the country would ignore any bad things the press says about Trump. Not because they don't care about those bad things, but because they don't trust the press enough to believe that Trump said or did those things.

Also most of those things the voters all knew about when voting him in. Do you think anyone gives a flying fuck he slept with a porn star? Or the sexual assault (he says women let him do whatever cause he is famous). While disguisting, not something we didn't all assume is true of him and ALL of famous people. Also a bit hypocritical when many of the hugely outspoken people of him end up having way worse sexual assault stuff in their closet.

I heard someone say something once about Oprah and her running for office. They said she is this angel in a white suit, and if she ran for politics, you would have people throwing mud at her left and right. That mud is super distinguishable on her prestine white suit. Thus makes sense why she would not run. She is loved by all right now. That would not be true the second she put her name in the hat.

On the other hand you have Trump. He is wearing a suit made out of mud. Thus it doesn't matter how much shit you throw at him.



Megiddo said:
RaptorChrist said:

I guess I was just trying to let you know that it reflects poorly back on you when you say things like that.

I'm not here to coddle anyone. If speaking truth and debating with facts reflects poorly on me, then so be it.

I just don't think you believe me when I say it reflects poorly on you. I get the impression that you think others read those messages and are impressed with you. And maybe they are. Maybe it's an age thing, of which now I'm curious. Perhaps I'll explore this further. I hope you don't mind if I use some of your work for a thesis I'm working on?

lol, I'm just messing with you. Let's keep our middle fingers up, my man. Fuck Trump!

Edit: Check your friend requests. ;)



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Megiddo said:
Aeolus451 said:

That's so intellectually honest of ya. How's your cognitive dissonance going for ya?

Asking to be able to read a report is intellectually honest. None of the articles even cited the names of the economists who were questioned. That's something the report will have. Now you asking me to blindly believe a report that I can't even read is intellectually dishonest.

It's intellectually dishonest to not look at the links, not read them or look at their sources and not think you're wrong. I provided sources to back up what I said. I provided what was asked. You're not gonna move the goal post to something new every time I meet it. 



SpokenTruth said:
Aeolus451 said:

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/economic-optimism-tax-cut-bonuses-trump-credit/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/economists-credit-trump-as-tailwind-for-u-s-growth-hiring-and-stocks-1515682893

https://www.dailywire.com/news/25918/economists-reveal-which-president-they-credit-us-ryan-saavedra

http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/368904-economists-agree-trump-not-obama-gets-credit-for-economy

So are you gonna pull a "but that's....." ?

Link 1 is an editorial not written by an economist.
Link 2 is behind a pay wall so I can't read it.
Link 3 just refers back to Link 2.
Link 4 just refers back to Link 2.

What I could of those links suggests they see a continued trend of what's been going on for years.  Do they claim an uptick from the trend, yes, yet still see it as being part of the same trend the economy was already on. 

I personally don't like giving a president credit for an economy to begin with given that Congress and the Federal Reserve Bank typically have much to do with it. Is the economy doing great?  Yes.  Was it already doing great?  Yes. 

o_O.Q said:

we are talking about roughly the same era in history obviously 

But you still see the fallacy in your argument.  The population of blacks right now is higher than it was under any previous president so of course it would be expected that more would be employed.  Now if you are talking about unemployment rate, that's different.

 

What a cop out. Plenty of buts indeed. Articles typically come with sources/links. You didn't look at anything.



Watch out, boys, RaptorChrist is on Team Megiddo!





Megiddo said:
RaptorChrist said:

I guess I was just trying to let you know that it reflects poorly back on you when you say things like that.

I'm not here to coddle anyone. If speaking truth and debating with facts reflects poorly on me, then so be it.

uh you didn't

to reiterate all you've done is compare ~8 years to ~1.5 then pretend that doing so makes you good at math

if you wanted to be consistent with your argument then you'd compare the first ~1.5 years for both presidents... obviously you can't so instead you've resorted to this nonsensical argument