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Kerotan said:
Chazore said:

Feels more like the middle ages when people believe in non existent beings and false gods to me.

And then the rest are truly terrified of that group of people. 

And the rest also drive themselves off into going off topic



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Chazore said:
Kerotan said:

And then the rest are truly terrified of that group of people. 

And the rest also drive themselves off into going off topic

Ironic.

 

You're opening line wasn't exactly on topic. 

 

"I like how we've managed to turn this from MHW crossing 10m to "let's all thank PS4 and forget everyone else", "Also let's jab at Nintendo just because"."



Kerotan said:
Chazore said:

And the rest also drive themselves off into going off topic

Ironic.

 

You're opening line wasn't exactly on topic. 

 

"I like how we've managed to turn this from MHW crossing 10m to "let's all thank PS4 and forget everyone else", "Also let's jab at Nintendo just because"."

Yeah, it is, considering that you took us off that path.

But hey, were we are, going down that road I warned about in another thread.

And yes, there have been jabs made at Nintendo within this very thread, but don't let that stop you from further driving us off topic, so you can try getting a ban out of me (because I know that's what you're fishing for).



Chazore said:
Kerotan said:

Ironic.

 

You're opening line wasn't exactly on topic. 

 

"I like how we've managed to turn this from MHW crossing 10m to "let's all thank PS4 and forget everyone else", "Also let's jab at Nintendo just because"."

Yeah, it is, considering that you took us off that path.

But hey, were we are, going down that road I warned about in another thread.

And yes, there have been jabs made at Nintendo within this very thread, but don't let that stop you from further driving us off topic, so you can try getting a ban out of me (because I know that's what you're fishing for).

You just keep on digging and digging. If I wanted you banned I'd have reported you the first time you dragged this off topic. 



Chazore said:
GOWTLOZ said:

No one is jabbing at Nintendo, they are jabbing at Nintendo fans who thought MH can only be successful on Nintendo hardware despite its past success on PlayStation.

Its a fair jab.

I don't think Capcom will see this nor will they care, they are getting more than what they bargained for here. For me personally, I double dip when its a really good game. For GTA 5 I triple dipped, PS3, PS4 and PC. I'll do the same for RDR 2 when it releases on PC.

The "it'll never sell/run on Switch" comments are telling, which aren't even remotely needed in a thread with MHW at all, so when they are issued, then it becomes a jab. We already know full well that Switch is getting it's own MH game.

 

"it's fair" when it suits you.

I don't think any company out there cares about anything other than more money tbh, that;'s how they operate when they become that big, that's how they will continue to act and think until they die off. 

I don't really need to double dip, but I would for an indie game to support the smaller dev, rather than the larger one that doesn't need it. FOr me I won't be with RDR 2, I'll be waiting for it to reach bargain bin prices, because I do not reward those who treat the market I game on as second class let alone expecting the time spent waiting for it to be paid in full.

It doesn't suit me. I'm not taking jabs at anybody. Its just that I am fully aware of a huge amount of Nintendo fans who did it.

Indie games are usually crap in my opinion. Most of them wouldn't fly in the face of consumers had they been 4 times as long at $60 because the quality isn't the same as AAA games in terms of presentation, graphics, story and most often gameplay. There are some like Furi that are amazing, but even then they can't reach AAA top dogs like Rockstar.

I care of the product I get, I don't give away money for pity just because they are a small dev. Rockstar's games are such that I feel they should be rewarded for their efforts when nobody else makes those type of games. No indie game is worth a quarter of a Rockstar game. Some sell for more. Its freeing when you're platform agnostic, I'd feel you if I was PC and Switch only gamer, and probably have the same bias as you do. Get a PS4, get an Xbox, get something and free yourself from loyalty towards a platform.



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GOWTLOZ said:

It doesn't suit me. I'm not taking jabs at anybody. Its just that I am fully aware of a huge amount of Nintendo fans who did it.

Indie games are usually crap in my opinion. Most of them wouldn't fly in the face of consumers had they been 4 times as long at $60 because the quality isn't the same as AAA games in terms of presentation, graphics, story and most often gameplay. There are some like Furi that are amazing, but even then they can't reach AAA top dogs like Rockstar.

I care of the product I get, I don't give away money for pity just because they are a small dev. Rockstar's games are such that I feel they should be rewarded for their efforts when nobody else makes those type of games. No indie game is worth a quarter of a Rockstar game. Some sell for more. Its freeing when you're platform agnostic, I'd feel you if I was PC and Switch only gamer, and probably have the same bias as you do. Get a PS4, get an Xbox, get something and free yourself from loyalty towards a platform.

And you must also be aware of the Sony fans that do it back at Nintendo fans with MHW (But in this instance I'd say you don't).

Well that's what it is, in your opinion, which isn't a fact, and going by what the internet, general media and sales have to say, indie games are actually quite good and even quite popular to purchase and enjoy. 

I'm not sure what length of play and price has to do with indie titles, because we've had a plethora of indie games that have ranged from costing £10-40, with some even containing DLC after or even for launch day (like AAA has done so many times before), and said games have either lived or died by popularity (like AAA games have since they were even a thing). Quality is subjective and not objective, so your point about all indie games being inferior to all AAA games is unfounded and baseless. To further iterate on that point would just further derail the topic at hand. Also, story and gameplay are also subjective elements when looking at games. 

I care about the games I love and the devs that put their all into said games. There is absolutely nothing wrong with showing a desire to support the smaller guy in this rather large industry. Looking down on all the smaller guys however is rather narrow minded, petulant and what I would consider disgusting, because it shows a lack of empathy towards those that struggle and strive to making games they want to make and those that make games people want.

Claiming to be platform agnostic, but showing far, far more faith in another console isn't truly being agnostic. Every fence sitter has their preference, like those that do not sit on the fence half the time. Don't think of yourself as higher than me because you are not, but that could very well be an ego related issue, one that you would need to work on. You claim to be unbaised yet you are already baised by damning and spitting on indie games. I truly pity you, for you have nothing but clouded bias of your own. 

Free your own mind and chain down that ego mate, it's not helping you. 



Kerotan said:
Chazore said:

Yeah, it is, considering that you took us off that path.

But hey, were we are, going down that road I warned about in another thread.

And yes, there have been jabs made at Nintendo within this very thread, but don't let that stop you from further driving us off topic, so you can try getting a ban out of me (because I know that's what you're fishing for).

You just keep on digging and digging. If I wanted you banned I'd have reported you the first time you dragged this off topic. 

I realize that this comment was made almost a day ago but you both need to knock it off and stay on topic. I don't care who started it, it ends now. 



Monster sales. But I think most of them are from Japan.



Chazore said:
GOWTLOZ said:

It doesn't suit me. I'm not taking jabs at anybody. Its just that I am fully aware of a huge amount of Nintendo fans who did it.

Indie games are usually crap in my opinion. Most of them wouldn't fly in the face of consumers had they been 4 times as long at $60 because the quality isn't the same as AAA games in terms of presentation, graphics, story and most often gameplay. There are some like Furi that are amazing, but even then they can't reach AAA top dogs like Rockstar.

I care of the product I get, I don't give away money for pity just because they are a small dev. Rockstar's games are such that I feel they should be rewarded for their efforts when nobody else makes those type of games. No indie game is worth a quarter of a Rockstar game. Some sell for more. Its freeing when you're platform agnostic, I'd feel you if I was PC and Switch only gamer, and probably have the same bias as you do. Get a PS4, get an Xbox, get something and free yourself from loyalty towards a platform.

And you must also be aware of the Sony fans that do it back at Nintendo fans with MHW (But in this instance I'd say you don't).

Well that's what it is, in your opinion, which isn't a fact, and going by what the internet, general media and sales have to say, indie games are actually quite good and even quite popular to purchase and enjoy. 

I'm not sure what length of play and price has to do with indie titles, because we've had a plethora of indie games that have ranged from costing £10-40, with some even containing DLC after or even for launch day (like AAA has done so many times before), and said games have either lived or died by popularity (like AAA games have since they were even a thing). Quality is subjective and not objective, so your point about all indie games being inferior to all AAA games is unfounded and baseless. To further iterate on that point would just further derail the topic at hand. Also, story and gameplay are also subjective elements when looking at games. 

I care about the games I love and the devs that put their all into said games. There is absolutely nothing wrong with showing a desire to support the smaller guy in this rather large industry. Looking down on all the smaller guys however is rather narrow minded, petulant and what I would consider disgusting, because it shows a lack of empathy towards those that struggle and strive to making games they want to make and those that make games people want.

Claiming to be platform agnostic, but showing far, far more faith in another console isn't truly being agnostic. Every fence sitter has their preference, like those that do not sit on the fence half the time. Don't think of yourself as higher than me because you are not, but that could very well be an ego related issue, one that you would need to work on. You claim to be unbaised yet you are already baised by damning and spitting on indie games. I truly pity you, for you have nothing but clouded bias of your own. 

Free your own mind and chain down that ego mate, it's not helping you. 

I'm aware of Sony fans taking jabs post MHW success, its just a retort to what was spewed earlier. I'm aware of Sony fans being dicks as well, post TLOU release and for Naughty Dog games they can't take any criticism, but its not related to this so why would I bring that up?

Yep some of its my opinion, but indie games objectively lack in terms of presentation.

I've seen people willing to spend $15 on a 2 hour indie game like Journey and the same people criticising a AAA game for being 8 hours long, while also costing 4 times as much. They wouldn't accept anything below 30 hours for a AAA game, and with far better presentation, voice acting, graphics and sounds than indie games. AAA games are judged more harshly, which is unfair to all the devs who spend years making these games, while most of its profits go to the publisher. Indie games success sends money directly to the bank account of those devs while their director takes on a project of a much smaller scale and with fewer employees to manage.

To say that AAA devs, such as Rockstar don't put equal or even more effort and love into their games is disrespectful to the some 8 years of development RDR 2 has been while having state of the art graphics, sounds, and a lot more ambition. Its devs like Rockstar that take the industry forward. Also, all devs should be judged on equal terms, and their merit rather than their status quo as a fledgling developer. My $15, $20, $25 on an indie games could be $15, $20, $25 put towards a AAA game, that's basic economics. Also helps that you can get many older but still amazing AAA games at the same price as most of the unimaginative indie games. I'm not saying indie games are all bad, but apart from Furi, Rocket League, Pubg, Journey, Resogun, Death's Gambit and Dead Cells I don't feel most are worth playing.

I'm not quite as platform faithful to any platform as you are. I have PC, Switch and PS4. I have played gems on all 3. This gen, the gems I've played:

1) PC - Forza Horizon 3, Pubg, For Honor

2) Switch - TLOZ Breath of the Wild, Super Mario Odyssey

3) PS4 - Bloodborne, Infamous Second Son, God of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, Dark Souls 3, Titanfall 2, Batman Arkham Knight, Nier Automata, Doom

I upgraded my PC last year which is why that has such few games. Switch is new so its unfair to expect many gems from it, but apart from these 2 gems I feel its games are lacking. That said, I'll point to any bs I hear from any side. You may have never seen me complaining on Naughty Dog being overrated as fuck, but that's not my problem.

Not sure what this has to do with my ego. I have nothing against smaller devs as I treat them on the same plane as AAA devs. Its just that they have never blown me away and their general quality feels far lower than the AAA devs.