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o_O.Q on 08 August 2018
SanAndreasX said:
o_O.Q said:

yeah i mean if we were to use the standard that we have to dismiss sources simply because they were caught pushing false narratives then the mainstream media like CNN would be at the top of the list

how many lies did CNN spread about weapons of mass destruction in iraq? leading to millions of people dead

The WMD lies were originally spread by the government to justify their invasion of Iraq. CNN and other news outlets were the messengers. Guilty of not doing due diligence in holding the administation's feet to the fire and doing fact checking, maybe, but I'd also bet that if CNN had spoken out against the war, Republicans would have done to CNN what they did to the Dixie Chicks. Back then, it was "if you're not with us, you're with the terrorists." And the war would still have happened, and millions would still have been dead.  CNN was not the core problem in this, and the government did plenty of selling the public on WMDs through its own channels.

In all the revisionism of Bush's legacy in the Trump era, people forget that there was a lot of emotional and political blackmail being done by the government and supporters of the Bush Administration. People disliking Trump didn't magically make Bush's administration not suck.

if you haven't realised yet that CNN and the other news agencies are onboard with the greater agenda then i honestly don't know what to tell you

and no you are wrong... the media is playing a massive part in this, they hold a great deal of responsibility in the stupidity and apathy the general public has been conditioned into



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SanAndreasX on 08 August 2018
o_O.Q said:
 

if you haven't realised yet that CNN and the other news agencies are onboard with the greater agenda then i honestly don't know what to tell you

and no you are wrong... the media is playing a massive part in this, they hold a great deal of responsibility in the stupidity and apathy the general public has been conditioned into

As far as the Iraq War went, the government was bound and determined to have a war. Nothing the media could have done would have stopped it.

And the general public is naturally stupid and apathetic.Humans were stupid and apathetic before newspapers, and they'll be stupid and apathetic until they go extinct. Religion was the first institution to really take advantage of the stupidity and apathy of humankind. Give us a share of your crops or gold or an imaginary sky daddy is going to send you to a place of eternal suffering, oh, and the sky daddy has also empowered us to imprison or kill you if you don't do what we claim he says because in spite of the fact that he's all powerful, he is somehow encapable of enforcing his decrees himself. If you don't have blind faith that the sky daddy said all these things and request proof that he actually said these things, you are sinning and we are empowered to punish you for requesting proof.

Instead of squawking about the media like a flock of parrots, maybe people should start taking personal responsibility for their own lack of civic engagement. Blaming the media for causing anything and everything is intellectually lazy.

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o_O.Q on 08 August 2018
SanAndreasX said:
o_O.Q said:

if you haven't realised yet that CNN and the other news agencies are onboard with the greater agenda then i honestly don't know what to tell you

and no you are wrong... the media is playing a massive part in this, they hold a great deal of responsibility in the stupidity and apathy the general public has been conditioned into

As far as the Iraq War went, the government was bound and determined to have a war. Nothing the media could have done would have stopped it.

And the general public is naturally stupid and apathetic.Humans were stupid and apathetic before newspapers, and they'll be stupid and apathetic until they go extinct. Religion was the first institution to really take advantage of the stupidity and apathy of humankind. Give us a share of your crops or gold or an imaginary sky daddy is going to send you to a place of eternal suffering, oh, and the sky daddy has also empowered us to imprison or kill you if you don't do what we claim he says because in spite of the fact that he's all powerful, he is somehow encapable of enforcing his decrees himself. If you don't have blind faith that the sky daddy said all these things and request proof that he actually said these things, you are sinning and we are empowered to punish you for requesting proof.

Instead of squawking about the media like a flock of parrots, maybe people should start taking personal responsibility for their own lack of civic engagement. Blaming the media for causing anything and everything is intellectually lazy.

" Religion was the first institution to really take advantage of the stupidity and apathy of humankind."

this woman is an athiest

this man is an atheist

 

these people do not believe in god and yet their thinking surpasses even the most ridiculous of religious zealots... the fact of the matter is that the minute people join some type of cause the potential is there for exploitation, this predates religion and after religion became a thing it was never exclusive to religion, it is an existential problem born out of being human

religion is not the problem here so i don't see why you even brought it up

 

and you don't believe in god? why not?


"Instead of squawking about the media like a flock of parrots, maybe people should start taking personal responsibility for their own lack of civic engagement. Blaming the media for causing anything and everything is intellectually lazy."

one thing leads to the other, people have neglected their responsibility to be engaged with what is going on to the media and as a result they have been exploited

but yes you are right that people should be more engaged instead of putting their trust in the media



DonFerrari on 08 August 2018
Pemalite said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Well at this point I think the average user of the most popular websites know they're incredibly bias and cater to popular left wing views.

People with opposing views will continue to use those websites though because they have a massive audience, essentially a monopoly. But fortunately services like Patreon allow people to support creators directly while YouTube demonetizes opposing views.

The majority of people are in the center.
I wouldn't consider Facebook to be left-wing, but then again... North America seems to be one big step farther over to the right compared to our right-wingers.

The fact is... If the far-right are unhappy with the current status-quo of Social Media, they are more than happy to start their own outlets, free market and all that.

Mr Puggsly said:

Anybody on the left who calls anybody leaning right as a bigot/Nazi/fascist are among the worst of the left.

Wrong.
If someone is a Bigot/Nazi or Fascist, then they are a Bigot/Nazi or Facist... Let's not change words/descriptors/meanings because it might offend someone.
With the "Bigot" descriptor itself though, that isn't strictly exclusive to those in the right-wing political spectrum anyway.

Mr Puggsly said:

The KKK isn't even relevant today and haven't been for a long time. Hence, we don't need to look to the past to make excuses for modern asshole.

Well. They still seem to exist and still have made "Alliances" with other hate-groups.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan#Current_Klan_organizations

Granted, I am far from educated on the topic as it's American stuff... Other parts of the world, far-right hate-groups have grown in prominence.

Mr Puggsly said:

Antifa is deemed a fringe group but their presence is much more significant than any other fringe group.

Antifa should always be condemned when they step outside of the law, that goes for any group or individual or organization.

But they shouldn't be condemned for protesting, free speech or peaceful demonstrations.

Chris Hu said:

The worst you have on the left is some anti vaxxers that's about it.  Also the far left never mixes their craziness with religion but on the far right it is common that the craziest members are also religious and they mix their religion with their craziness.  That is why Alex Jones is on whole other level of crazy not only is a regular nut he is also a religious nut.

Anti-Vaxxers falls under the typical conspiracy theory garbage that I group with Alex Jones and Flat Earthers.
As for religion, you do have some religious lefties, they can be a little crazy, especially the extreme greenies who will look down at you for eating meat.

When Zuckeberg on senate hearing confess that most of his team is left wing and that it's hard to find no left wing people in California to hire he is basically confessing his and other social media with their team coming from there as having left wing inclination.

SpokenTruth said:
DonFerrari said:

And you can't differentiate that it is proprietary but not private, everyone have access to it and even politicians, political parties, government departments, cities, etc have pages over there.

You actually don't understand public (government owned) from private (not government owned). Until you grasp this difference when it comes to US law, we can move no further with this discussion.

But let's just play the silly IF Game and say If the US government owned Facebook, it would be subject to the FCC (Federal Communications Commission) and Alex Jones/Info Wars would have been booted a long time ago. But so would just about everyone else.  It would have to abide by the same rules as daytime TV and radio.  Everybody would also have to apply for an FCC license.  All 2.2 billion users.  You don't want that, I don't want that, nobody wants that....except maybe Ajit Pai.

Pemalite said:

Start your own service that competes.

Free market and all that.

And these alternatives already exist.  But apparently that's not good enough for some people.

https://gizmodo.com/7-conservative-alternatives-to-the-internets-most-popul-1614074423

Yes I do know the difference between public owned company and private owned company or publically traded company etc, as much as I understand the difference between public space and private space which doesn't necessarily means they belong to the government or private company.

deskpro2k3 said:
DonFerrari said:

I think you know even less what freedom of speech is. Because one of the requests for freedom of speech is that is made public and the one saying it shows himself. Half or more of what you are putting there doesn't happen in the open, and movements like BLM have several of their claims made with something covering their faces.

 

 

I think you're a bit confused, so grab a chair and sit down because:

This is not a First Amendment issue. The 1st Amendment protects you from the government punishing or censoring or oppressing your speech. It doesn't apply to private organizations, individuals, and businesses from restricting speech. So if, Apple, Youtube etc decides to ban you because your content incites violence, division, and hate then they have every right to block you. So not only you can't make a First Amendment claim in court, the 1st Amendment also doesn't protect you from those kind of speeches anyways.

So you want to explain to me what is freedom of speech by explaning that isn't a first ammendment issue? Thank good freedom of speech only exist in USA and because of 1st ammendment.

1st Ammendment have to do with USA government on USA citizen, not with the definition of Freedom of Speech. So you banning someone from speaking their mind is impairing freedom of speech even if not breaking the 1st ammendment and needs to be criticized.

Rogerioandrade said:

Those are private companies, they can refuse users and content, don´t they? I think everyone understands that but...

... are the premises for such act legitimate? Or are they being banned for highly subjective matters (which seems the case here)?

There´s no shortage of communities spreading 'fake news" and "hate speech". Even big, traditional media conglomerates do that. So.. why was the action simultaneously taken towards a single, small group when there are bigger and even more influential groups doing the same for even longer ?.....

I feel that this action will just make InforWars and its members more famous and will make people´s interest on their content increases, by a lot ..... 

No we can't criticize FB because they are private and the guy is bad (CNN and Globo are good guys =p)

Most people defending the issue doesn't understand that the criticism is against the action of these companies not a demand that government intervene.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Pemalite on 08 August 2018
SpokenTruth said:
Pemalite said:

Start your own service that competes.

Free market and all that.

And these alternatives already exist.  But apparently that's not good enough for some people.

https://gizmodo.com/7-conservative-alternatives-to-the-internets-most-popul-1614074423

That is actually both hilarious and impressive. Now they don't have anything to complain about.

o_O.Q said:

if you haven't realised yet that CNN and the other news agencies are onboard with the greater agenda then i honestly don't know what to tell you

and no you are wrong... the media is playing a massive part in this, they hold a great deal of responsibility in the stupidity and apathy the general public has been conditioned into

Tell me more about this "Greater Agenda". - And do you have empirical evidence?

DonFerrari said:

When Zuckeberg on senate hearing confess that most of his team is left wing and that it's hard to find no left wing people in California to hire he is basically confessing his and other social media with their team coming from there as having left wing inclination.

Who cares? Facebook is a business working in a free market, they are entitled to hire anyone they desire that is suitable for the position, it sucks that there is any kind of bias, but Facebook isn't the most popular social media platform for no reason, the market has spoketh.

Don't like it? Well. There are plenty of conservative options like what is listed above or you can start your own.




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DonFerrari on 08 August 2018
Pemalite said:
SpokenTruth said:

And these alternatives already exist.  But apparently that's not good enough for some people.

https://gizmodo.com/7-conservative-alternatives-to-the-internets-most-popul-1614074423

That is actually both hilarious and impressive. Now they don't have anything to complain about.

o_O.Q said:

if you haven't realised yet that CNN and the other news agencies are onboard with the greater agenda then i honestly don't know what to tell you

and no you are wrong... the media is playing a massive part in this, they hold a great deal of responsibility in the stupidity and apathy the general public has been conditioned into

Tell me more about this "Greater Agenda". - And do you have empirical evidence?

DonFerrari said:

When Zuckeberg on senate hearing confess that most of his team is left wing and that it's hard to find no left wing people in California to hire he is basically confessing his and other social media with their team coming from there as having left wing inclination.

Who cares? Facebook is a business working in a free market, they are entitled to hire anyone they desire that is suitable for the position, it sucks that there is any kind of bias, but Facebook isn't the most popular social media platform for no reason, the market has spoketh.

Don't like it? Well. There are plenty of conservative options like what is listed above or you can start your own.

You said they aren't biased for left wing, just showed they are. As long as they are clear on what they are and stop pretending to be neutral all is good. But good that you gone from saying it isn't to who cares.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari on 08 August 2018
CaptainExplosion said:
Good riddance. Alex Jones is a raving sociopath who harasses victims of mass shootings, and built up a legion of like-minded idiots and maniacs with his brainless ramblings about "brain-eating lesbians" and "Bildeberg, holy fuck!!".

If it were up to me he'd be barred from ever broadcasting anything else.

Yes, it's good to see the little dictator in you.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

o_O.Q on 08 August 2018
Pemalite said:
SpokenTruth said:

And these alternatives already exist.  But apparently that's not good enough for some people.

https://gizmodo.com/7-conservative-alternatives-to-the-internets-most-popul-1614074423

That is actually both hilarious and impressive. Now they don't have anything to complain about.

o_O.Q said:

if you haven't realised yet that CNN and the other news agencies are onboard with the greater agenda then i honestly don't know what to tell you

and no you are wrong... the media is playing a massive part in this, they hold a great deal of responsibility in the stupidity and apathy the general public has been conditioned into

Tell me more about this "Greater Agenda". - And do you have empirical evidence?

DonFerrari said:

When Zuckeberg on senate hearing confess that most of his team is left wing and that it's hard to find no left wing people in California to hire he is basically confessing his and other social media with their team coming from there as having left wing inclination.

Who cares? Facebook is a business working in a free market, they are entitled to hire anyone they desire that is suitable for the position, it sucks that there is any kind of bias, but Facebook isn't the most popular social media platform for no reason, the market has spoketh.

Don't like it? Well. There are plenty of conservative options like what is listed above or you can start your own.

"Tell me more about this "Greater Agenda". - And do you have empirical evidence?"

if you haven't reached a certain level of concern about, for example, the government bringing drugs into the country to fuel a fake war on drugs simply to steal more tax dollars, then you aren't really the type of person to care about the motivations running behind that are you?

because if you were you would already know since you'd have taken the time to look

so then what i'd have to ask is why are you pretending to be? i'd say your problem is not that you're skeptical but that you're pointing your skepticism n the wrong direction as you are supposed to 



Lawlight on 08 August 2018
Chris Hu said:
DonFerrari said:

Yep, people with white guilty are funny.

I guess these are far right http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=237217&page=1

Antifa is a fringe group and its not worse then any of the fringe groups on the right like the KKK and other hate groups.  At one point the KKK actually had substantial political power in the US especially in the deep south.  Plus they are far worse Antifa was and is.  Pretty much all the lynchings that took place in the US either was done by KKK members or was caused by KKK involvement. Also the worse case of domestic terrorism in the US the OKC bombing was done by a right winger.

“At one point”... What about now? Antifa probably has more members than the kkk at this point.



Mr Puggsly on 09 August 2018
Pemalite said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Well at this point I think the average user of the most popular websites know they're incredibly bias and cater to popular left wing views.

People with opposing views will continue to use those websites though because they have a massive audience, essentially a monopoly. But fortunately services like Patreon allow people to support creators directly while YouTube demonetizes opposing views.

The majority of people are in the center.
I wouldn't consider Facebook to be left-wing, but then again... North America seems to be one big step farther over to the right compared to our right-wingers.

The fact is... If the far-right are unhappy with the current status-quo of Social Media, they are more than happy to start their own outlets, free market and all that.

Mr Puggsly said:

Anybody on the left who calls anybody leaning right as a bigot/Nazi/fascist are among the worst of the left.

Wrong.
If someone is a Bigot/Nazi or Fascist, then they are a Bigot/Nazi or Facist... Let's not change words/descriptors/meanings because it might offend someone.
With the "Bigot" descriptor itself though, that isn't strictly exclusive to those in the right-wing political spectrum anyway.

Mr Puggsly said:

The KKK isn't even relevant today and haven't been for a long time. Hence, we don't need to look to the past to make excuses for modern asshole.

Well. They still seem to exist and still have made "Alliances" with other hate-groups.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan#Current_Klan_organizations

Granted, I am far from educated on the topic as it's American stuff... Other parts of the world, far-right hate-groups have grown in prominence.

Mr Puggsly said:

Antifa is deemed a fringe group but their presence is much more significant than any other fringe group.

Antifa should always be condemned when they step outside of the law, that goes for any group or individual or organization.

But they shouldn't be condemned for protesting, free speech or peaceful demonstrations.

You don't consider Facebook left wing? It seems like you're ignoring something most people acknowledge to be true.

That's the thing, what you consider far right isn't actually extreme. We are at a point where saying there are only genders and wanting more border security are far right agendas.

I'm wondering if Facebook and YouTube are deemed to be a monopolies that silences right leaning views, does that create a problem the government has to step in and deal with? Maybe not, but those sites will certainly avoid that possible scenario by not silencing the right entirely. Hence, its difficult to compete with a monopoly and the US has ways of dealing with that.

 

Again, the left uses words like bigot and Nazi to demonize their opponents. Hence, I don't respect people that use those words unless they're actually talking about people who associate with those groups or argue their racial superiority and inferiority of other races. I'm not wrong, the name calling BS is among the worst aspect of the left.

 

KKK is kinda just like a catch all term for racist white people, but hasn't been that significant since like the 1920s with some increases and declines into the 1960s. Also, the number of hate crimes is arguably low given the massive population. The left just likes to get worked up about KKK and Nazis but not really admitting those groups aren't relevant. I'd like to hear the left complain about gangs. Its the gangs that actually create significant problems in the country and kill much more minorities.

 

I'm am a supporter of free speech and peaceful demonstrations. With that said, maybe Antifa should stop clashing with groups they oppose. For example, I'm not a fan of hate groups but they should be able to have peaceful demonstrations without Antifa goons attacking them. Also, don't harass people on the street or at restaurants.



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