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mZuzek said:
Kai_Mao said:

The Witch Time from banana has happened before, even during pre-patch Bayo. Salem was using Witch Time around the banana against ZeRo in a regional back when Bayonetta was still new in the scene.

I'm one of probably very few (especially now, haha) who are ok with Bayonetta in the game, but I think Sakurai and his team are doing what they can to balance her more in Ultimate and those who have played her in the demo have reported the changes as such. Her concept as a combo is interesting but I can agree that it did go a bit too far and it was unfortunate that the patches didn't do enough in the long run for her Smash 4 iteration. She fell off after 1.1.6 came out, but steadily came back, including helping Salem win EVO 2017.

Yeah, I always try to be a positive guy and have always been against the extreme hate thrown at Bayonetta from the moment she was announced. I get where you're coming from, because I do agree people took it too far too fast, but man, it's become increasingly hard to endure this character in the last year or so as she slowly began to dominate the entirety of competitive Smash at all levels, being a constant presence not only at big name worldwide events, but also at local level. I've seen all sorts of players begin to pick her, even people I know who have sticked to their unique mains for a long time just began maining her out of nowhere because they wanna win...

And really, as I began to fight her more and more often because of that, it just became super hard to accept all the bullshit she does. She doesn't have one or two bullshit things or mechanics about her (in fact most Smash 4 characters do have that one bullshit gimmick), she's basically bullshit in everything she does. Witch time, bullshit. Witch twist, bullshit. Triple jump, bullshit. Ladder combos, bullshit. Kill confirms up to 200%, bullshit. Undisputable recovery, bullshit. Bullet arts on every move which deal knockback, bullshit. And especially bat within, bullshit. That stuff is seriously infuriating to play against, when you're doing well and you're landing a kill confirm or an awesome combo or literally anything and she bats within out of it because it's frame 1... No, I can't stand it. And after today, well, yeah, I'm done defending her from any of the hate, all of it is deserved.

We can only hope she's at least balanced enough for Ultimate. So far, besides that little moment against Plup's Ridley in a low ceiling Green Greens, Bayo seems to have garnered a hefty amount of nerfs.



1 Bayonetta down, 2 more to go.



I do not get the Bayonetta hate. It is not like she is auto win. None of these players would beat Zero's Diddy anyway. But then if Zero were playing it would be, "nerf Diddy" as it was back then anyway. But the Bayonetta hate is especially confusing since it started before any Bayonetta won a major. Like, Zero was still winning everything, Ally was the only one beating Zero, and then a solid Luigi beat Zero. Yet all I was reading in every Twitch chat was, "nerf Bayo" and when I ask, "what major has Bayo won?" people would sidestep the question. The Smash community disappoints me so much sometimes.



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mZuzek said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:
I do not get the Bayonetta hate. It is not like she is auto win.

Say that again after watching this last game lol. She's as auto-win as auto-win gets.

Did you even read my next sentence?



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GhaudePhaede010 said:

I do not get the Bayonetta hate. It is not like she is auto win. None of these players would beat Zero's Diddy anyway. But then if Zero were playing it would be, "nerf Diddy" as it was back then anyway. But the Bayonetta hate is especially confusing since it started before any Bayonetta won a major. Like, Zero was still winning everything, Ally was the only one beating Zero, and then a solid Luigi beat Zero. Yet all I was reading in every Twitch chat was, "nerf Bayo" and when I ask, "what major has Bayo won?" people would sidestep the question. The Smash community disappoints me so much sometimes.

For me, Bayonetta has won so many major's that it has gotten pretty boring to watch Smash 4, because its starting to feel predictable. 



Whelp its Bayonetta vs Bayonetta in the grand finals.



animegaming said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:

I do not get the Bayonetta hate. It is not like she is auto win. None of these players would beat Zero's Diddy anyway. But then if Zero were playing it would be, "nerf Diddy" as it was back then anyway. But the Bayonetta hate is especially confusing since it started before any Bayonetta won a major. Like, Zero was still winning everything, Ally was the only one beating Zero, and then a solid Luigi beat Zero. Yet all I was reading in every Twitch chat was, "nerf Bayo" and when I ask, "what major has Bayo won?" people would sidestep the question. The Smash community disappoints me so much sometimes.

For me, Bayonetta has won so many major's that it has gotten pretty boring to watch Smash 4, because its starting to feel predictable. 

People say this after any character wins 2 events. I mean seriously, it gets old. The best players win. Zero was winning with Diddy and people complained about Diddy - and he didn't have what Bayonetta has - because the truth is, people want an excuse for why they are not good enough. Blaming the developer is the easy way out. Saying, "the rest of the field needs to get better" is, for some reason, unspoken words. You cannot tell me, for one second, that any of these guys would have stopped Zero from winning this EVO going all Diddy. That means, the character is not the problem; rather, the lack of skill by the field using other characters is the problem.



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animegaming said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:

I do not get the Bayonetta hate. It is not like she is auto win. None of these players would beat Zero's Diddy anyway. But then if Zero were playing it would be, "nerf Diddy" as it was back then anyway. But the Bayonetta hate is especially confusing since it started before any Bayonetta won a major. Like, Zero was still winning everything, Ally was the only one beating Zero, and then a solid Luigi beat Zero. Yet all I was reading in every Twitch chat was, "nerf Bayo" and when I ask, "what major has Bayo won?" people would sidestep the question. The Smash community disappoints me so much sometimes.

For me, Bayonetta has won so many major's that it has gotten pretty boring to watch Smash 4, because its starting to feel predictable. 

It's also appears to be at a point where everyone knows that Smash 4's time in the spotlight has run its course. It had a great few years, but I think late 2017 was when things kinda declined even during the 2GG championship series. Once ZeRo retired and guys like Ally, Nairo, and Larry Lurr fell off a bit, the scene wasn't as interesting, and Bayonetta didn't really help much either nor did Cloud in doubles. Plus, Ultimate is on the way now so people are gearing up for December 7.



mZuzek said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:

You cannot tell me, for one second, that any of these guys would have stopped Zero from winning this EVO going all Diddy.

Are you kidding me Zero lost to a Bayonetta as Diddy just last year. Come on.

He also lost to a Mario (ANTi and Ally) Luigi (Elegant) and Diddy (various including MVD) if that is your counter argument, then you have failed. It is not that Zero would never lose to anyone ever, it is that he still would have most likely won this EVO going all Diddy.



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