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mZuzek said:
Kai_Mao said:

The Witch Time from banana has happened before, even during pre-patch Bayo. Salem was using Witch Time around the banana against ZeRo in a regional back when Bayonetta was still new in the scene.

I'm one of probably very few (especially now, haha) who are ok with Bayonetta in the game, but I think Sakurai and his team are doing what they can to balance her more in Ultimate and those who have played her in the demo have reported the changes as such. Her concept as a combo is interesting but I can agree that it did go a bit too far and it was unfortunate that the patches didn't do enough in the long run for her Smash 4 iteration. She fell off after 1.1.6 came out, but steadily came back, including helping Salem win EVO 2017.

Yeah, I always try to be a positive guy and have always been against the extreme hate thrown at Bayonetta from the moment she was announced. I get where you're coming from, because I do agree people took it too far too fast, but man, it's become increasingly hard to endure this character in the last year or so as she slowly began to dominate the entirety of competitive Smash at all levels, being a constant presence not only at big name worldwide events, but also at local level. I've seen all sorts of players begin to pick her, even people I know who have sticked to their unique mains for a long time just began maining her out of nowhere because they wanna win...

And really, as I began to fight her more and more often because of that, it just became super hard to accept all the bullshit she does. She doesn't have one or two bullshit things or mechanics about her (in fact most Smash 4 characters do have that one bullshit gimmick), she's basically bullshit in everything she does. Witch time, bullshit. Witch twist, bullshit. Triple jump, bullshit. Ladder combos, bullshit. Kill confirms up to 200%, bullshit. Undisputable recovery, bullshit. Bullet arts on every move which deal knockback, bullshit. And especially bat within, bullshit. That stuff is seriously infuriating to play against, when you're doing well and you're landing a kill confirm or an awesome combo or literally anything and she bats within out of it because it's frame 1... No, I can't stand it. And after today, well, yeah, I'm done defending her from any of the hate, all of it is deserved.

We can only hope she's at least balanced enough for Ultimate. So far, besides that little moment against Plup's Ridley in a low ceiling Green Greens, Bayo seems to have garnered a hefty amount of nerfs.