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collint0101 on 29 July 2018
o_O.Q said:
collint0101 said:

 

Yeah that's also really fucking racist. I feel like a lot of people in the west have this idea that just because it's not far right european nationalism it's not part of far right nationalism as a whole. One of the biggest right wing philosophies to ever exist is Confucianism and it was created by a chinese man thousands of years before our modern concepts of right and left even existed

the tragedies happening in south africa right now are being brought about by the left because of the doctrine of equality

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/white-farmers-in-the-firing-line-over-land-grab/news-story/d37cf9b57b9adc22518977917a7d3e14

the farmers have businesses and are successful so they must be torn down so that everyone is equally poor

To be perfectly honest I simply don't have a proper understanding of the current situation in South Africa but long story short if it's based on race it's right wing, if it's based on wealth it's left wing if it's both then it's too complicated for me to have an opinion on without an adequate amount of information



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collint0101 on 29 July 2018
o_O.Q said:
collint0101 said:

Racism is a far right ideology. Aside from that anti socialism/Marxism, their tendency to put businessmen and capitalist with close relationship's to party members in power, extreme nationalism. 

"Racism is a far right ideology."

agreed


"Aside from that anti socialism/Marxism"

which hitler was not

 

"their tendency to put businessmen and capitalist with close relationship's to party members in power, extreme nationalism. "
centralisation of power is not a policy of the right, the right want less government involvement and less regulation for business, which is the opposite of what happened in germany where businesses were controlled by government

There's more to left and right politics than just more or less levels of government. By that logic conservative opposition to things like gay marriage and racial equality are left wing ideologies because they used government and law to achieve those ideas 



Eagle367 on 29 July 2018
TheBird said:
She's not a white supremacist if she speaks the truth about islam. You're just ignorant. Calling her a catholic whore also does not make you any better than her if you view her in that light. Sad to know YOU people are the ones voting over there.

As a Muslim, I'd like to know what truth she speaks of? Especially since I've had interactions with real scholars and not hate preachers that plague the Muslim and I would presume Christian world. Seriously Muslims are a lot of times just as ignorant about islam as non muslims. I'd like to clarify and defend my religion and change someone's mind even a little bit



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massimus on 29 July 2018

Lmao@ racism is right wing and economics is left wing... okay...



Immersiveunreality on 29 July 2018
Eagle367 said:
TheBird said:
She's not a white supremacist if she speaks the truth about islam. You're just ignorant. Calling her a catholic whore also does not make you any better than her if you view her in that light. Sad to know YOU people are the ones voting over there.

As a Muslim, I'd like to know what truth she speaks of? Especially since I've had interactions with real scholars and not hate preachers that plague the Muslim and I would presume Christian world. Seriously Muslims are a lot of times just as ignorant about islam as non muslims. I'd like to clarify and defend my religion and change someone's mind even a little bit


And the intend does never outweigh the actions of hatred that use religion as a catalyst(in my opinion), i do think religion as a whole needs to be modernized if it wants to survive.



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o_O.Q on 29 July 2018
collint0101 said:
o_O.Q said:

"Racism is a far right ideology."

agreed


"Aside from that anti socialism/Marxism"

which hitler was not

 

"their tendency to put businessmen and capitalist with close relationship's to party members in power, extreme nationalism. "
centralisation of power is not a policy of the right, the right want less government involvement and less regulation for business, which is the opposite of what happened in germany where businesses were controlled by government

There's more to left and right politics than just more or less levels of government. By that logic conservative opposition to things like gay marriage and racial equality are left wing ideologies because they used government and law to achieve those ideas 

"There's more to left and right politics than just more or less levels of government."

which doesn't matter when we are looking at more or less government specifically

one thing we must be able to agree on is that fundamentally the left wants more government and the right wants less


with regards to gay marriage that's a very convoluted issue... mainstream democrats like hillary clinton were actually opposed to it up until very recently

https://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/04/16/hillary-clintons-changing-views-on-gay-marriage/

its not a clear issue of left versus right as you appear to presume

https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/high-democratic-enthusiasm-gay-rights-wasnt-always

 

"racial equality"

i already conceded that this is generally a right wing issue in terms of racism



numberwang on 29 July 2018

 



Immersiveunreality on 29 July 2018
numberwang said:

 

Lol in other words: How do you force diversity on a whole state.

The New York Times of course. 



collint0101 on 29 July 2018
o_O.Q said:
collint0101 said:

There's more to left and right politics than just more or less levels of government. By that logic conservative opposition to things like gay marriage and racial equality are left wing ideologies because they used government and law to achieve those ideas 

"There's more to left and right politics than just more or less levels of government."

which doesn't matter when we are looking at more or less government specifically

one thing we must be able to agree on is that fundamentally the left wants more government and the right wants less


with regards to gay marriage that's a very convoluted issue... mainstream democrats like hillary clinton were actually opposed to it up until very recently

https://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/04/16/hillary-clintons-changing-views-on-gay-marriage/

its not a clear issue of left versus right as you appear to presume

https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/high-democratic-enthusiasm-gay-rights-wasnt-always

 

"racial equality"

i already conceded that this is generally a right wing issue in terms of racism

No we can not agree on that because saying the right wants less government and the right wants more more of it is a massive oversimplification. By your logic the democrats aren't a left wing party and the republicans aren't a right wing party because they both use the expansion and shrinking of government albeit in different ways 



Chris Hu on 29 July 2018
o_O.Q said:
Chris Hu said:

But guess what the Nazi's never claimed to be totalitarians before they gained power in Germany but as soon as they gained power they became totalitarians by turning Germany into a one party state and outlawing all opposition parties.   

which is what happens when you cede more and more power to the government under the pretense of providing more healthcare, more education, more security etc etc etc

eventually since it is PEOPLE who run the government,  they inevitably misuse their power and overstep their boundaries

how else could it end up?

at least if its not centralised and there competition, service providers can be kept in check

Again the Nazi's where fascists not socialists but you are too dense to comprehend that simple fact.  Also the Nazi party also had the word worker in their official title but guess what they where never pro worker that was just a cheap ploy to gain support of actual workers and convince workers not to join parties that where actually for the rights of workers like the SPD and the KPD.  Also when talking about the Nazi's people sure like to forget the Night of the Long Knives when pretty much all the left leaning members of the party where purged from the party. 

 

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