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KManX89 said:
Azuren said:

GitS didn't flop because of whitewashing, it flopped because it wasn't good. Don't conflate it's underperformance with your own childish outrage. It's like saying ice cream causes shark attacks because shark attacks and high ice cream sales both take place in the summer.

 

On the subject of GitS: you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Go look up what a Shell is and remember that anyone can use any Shell. It's perfectly possibly that the Makoto in the film IS Japanese, but she's using a Caucasian Shell. If you're going to be upset about something, do your damn research first.

 

And no, you don't have to be the same gender/race/orientation/etc as someone else to properly play the role. Actors are quite literally pretending to be what they're not. Children have pulled off very convincing serial killers, and I feel like Jo could pull off a trans pretty damn easily because she's a solid actor. Next you're going to tell me that only soldiers know how to play soldiers in movies, or how I keep setting up strawmen when in fact I'm just inconveniently tearing your argument apart with simple comparisons.

Oh yes, nevermind that it already had toxic word of mouth going in because of said controversy. Even Paramount themselves believe it played a role in the film's failure. 
Likewise with GhostBusters 2016: if you seriously don't think the extreme backlash it already had months before release contributed to it flopping hard (well-deserved), I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell to you.

And no, a tall black man with 6 packs is never gonna be a competent short Asian girl, so yes, it DOES matter. 

 

"And no, a tall black man with 6 packs is never gonna be a competent short Asian girl, so yes, it DOES matter. "

this is sexist and racist i think... don't you believe in equality?



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Machiavellian said:
Ganoncrotch said:

She is playing as a woman who turns into a man. So she is playing the right gender for the role but OP's probably is Scarlett looks too feminine and sexy to be someone who would fit that role as all trans people should be butch and ugly? I think that's what I'm getting from this thread.

The crazy part is that there are a lot of Trans you would never know they were men until the junk is shone.  The ideal that a Trans will still look like a man shows just how much a lot of people here probable never seen one.  Yes there are ones that definitely still look masculine but there are also a lot where they do not.  Either way, it seems funny that people complain about an actor doing their job.  

this is gigi gorgeous 

supposedly one of the most attractive and popular transwomen... and i pretty much have no trouble in telling that this was a dude at some point



Aeolus451 said:
I doubt there's many trans men with experience who can actually act just hanging around. Besides it's actors and actresses' job to act as other people. Most people don't give one shit about this kind of stuff.



Its more about attaching a star to the movie. That plays a big roll on funding or if the movie even gets made.

But I agree, she's just an actress and she took an opportunity. But this is Hollywood and they've taken the stance they must pander to the whiny left.



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d21lewis said:
Boys Don't Cry.

I don't know if it's been mentioned but check it out.

Better yet, check out the 1985 film Just One of the Guys. The lead actress plays a guy with great tits.

Then watch Soul Man, just because.



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In the 90s, people got bad because Simba from the Lion King was played by a white kid



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Shaunodon said:
Aeolus451 said:

If only she had the balls to stand her ground.

Not having balls is how this whole thing started.
*ba dum tss*

She only needs to believe.... 



d21lewis said:
Did you know;
In the 90s, people got bad because Simba from the Lion King was played by a white kid

Yeah, I remember that. It was Jonathan Taylor Thomas from Home Improvement. After Robin Williams did the genie in Aladdin, star power became a more prominent thing for animated Disney films even though movies before that rarely had big stars as lead voice actor roles.

Funny thing was a black kid did Simba's singing voice (Jason Weaver from Thea and Smart Guy).



Haha I can only laugh when stuff like this happens now. Just absurd..

Spin it any way you want it, this is tribalistic thinking and bigotry pure and simple. It's identity politics obsession, and it's a primitive way of thinking.

Don't get me wrong, I don't necessary feel Johansson should have played the role IF there was a trans actor who played the part better, but she was CAST as the role, she didn't force herself onto it, which means to me that she was the absolute best choice to play the part. And call me crazy, but I believe that whoever is best for the job gets the part, END of story.



 

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DarthMetalliCube said:


And call me crazy, but I believe that whoever is best for the job gets the part, END of story.

You've never heard of a movie doing poorly because of bad casting? I'm not even talking identity politics. I am talking about movies were certain roles were so poorly casted that it ruined the movie. Jake Lloyd from the Phantom Menace is a prime example of this. Poor kid's life was ruined, and he ticks all the boxes that Anakin Skywalker should have. He's was a white, straight, male child. He was just a terrible actor (yes, even compared to other kids). Hayden Christensen was similarly criticized for the same role in later films of the prequel trilogy.

On the other end, we have movies that have been praised for fantastic casting. For me, that'd be something like The Brady Bunch Movie.

Either way, I don't believe at all that "whoever is best for the job gets the part, END of story". Otherwise, people wouldn't praise or condemn a movie for its casting. And I certainly doubt SJ won the part, because of merit. She was last year's most bankable female star because of the Avengers, but most other roles have led to flops, her acting has been mediocre at best, and a movie about a trans actor would likely have little box office impact from her Avengers success.