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Pemalite said:
Mixed feelings about this.
On the one hand... If you genuinely want something it will be available... But on the other they need to make up for that with better tools for the end user to filter out the rubbish.

Hopefully this means a return of EA games to Steam?

EA won't want to give Valve that 30%, and they seem happy letting their games die on their own client, and not being forced by the consumer to do anything about it.



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Chazore said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

They are promising that for years already, but nothing changed yet

Well years ago we didn't have discovery queue, or proper and expanded tags. We also didn't have Steam workshop either. 


What is really taking forever, is the store and client UI overhaul.

Steam Workshop is from 2011 iirc, the tags ain't much younger. Which only leaves the discovery queue - of which 90% is garbage, at least for me



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Chazore said:

Well years ago we didn't have discovery queue, or proper and expanded tags. We also didn't have Steam workshop either. 


What is really taking forever, is the store and client UI overhaul.

Steam Workshop is from 2011 iirc, the tags ain't much younger. Which only leaves the discovery queue - of which 90% is garbage, at least for me

Are you aware of:

I've been using the queue, and so far it's helped me avoiding garbage asset flip games, and genres I dislike seeing. 

 

btw, while we're on the notion that the updates Valve throw out aren't quick enough, where the fuck is Square with that Nier Automata Patch?. 

Also, Blizzard with that Warcraft 3 patch for modern resolutions.....hoooooo boy that took forever. 



Mankind, in its arrogance and self-delusion, must believe they are the mirrors to God in both their image and their power. If something shatters that mirror, then it must be totally destroyed.

Chazore said:
Pemalite said:
Mixed feelings about this.
On the one hand... If you genuinely want something it will be available... But on the other they need to make up for that with better tools for the end user to filter out the rubbish.

Hopefully this means a return of EA games to Steam?

EA won't want to give Valve that 30%, and they seem happy letting their games die on their own client, and not being forced by the consumer to do anything about it.

I don't think the 30% cut was the issue though. The main reason was that Valve took issue with how DLC was being delivered.




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they can do whatever. all i need them for is civ6. and civ7 when that comes out.

 

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I think they have to do this. And, I doubt that it has very much to do with offencive content. It's probably really about IP theft.

If Valve claims that they are controlling what content can and cannot go up in their Marketplace, then IP Theft games make it through, they have likely opened themselves up to some liability in that regard. Or, at least, one could argue that way in court. But, if they claim that they are not moderating the content, then they have at least some grounds to argue in that same court that they simply operate a Marketplace, and are not responsible for what people sell there.



VAMatt said:
I think they have to do this. And, I doubt that it has very much to do with offencive content. It's probably really about IP theft.

If Valve claims that they are controlling what content can and cannot go up in their Marketplace, then IP Theft games make it through, they have likely opened themselves up to some liability in that regard. Or, at least, one could argue that way in court. But, if they claim that they are not moderating the content, then they have at least some grounds to argue in that same court that they simply operate a Marketplace, and are not responsible for what people sell there.

That's not how it works, Valve is liable for anything illegal that can be bought on their store.



Pemalite said:

I don't think the 30% cut was the issue though. The main reason was that Valve took issue with how DLC was being delivered.

We've had season passes for some years now since EA left, and EA still hasn't voiced them wanting to come back to Steam. I think that 30% cut is important to them, as well as them having 100% control over how they sell their games and where, just like how Activision is now doing the same.

With the built in Steam workshop support climbing each year, I can foresee Bethesda eventually moving their games to Beth.net, and them building support either into their games or via their client. They already desire control over what goes on within their creation club. They will definitely want full modship control over whatever mods may pass onto their future games. 



Mankind, in its arrogance and self-delusion, must believe they are the mirrors to God in both their image and their power. If something shatters that mirror, then it must be totally destroyed.

shikamaru317 said:

I'm kind of surprised at the negative reaction by many in this thread. My interpretation of what they said is that they're going to stop wasting their time moderating things that might offend some snowflakes, such as erotic content in niche visual novels, and will instead refocus the moderating team toward actual good moderation. They said they would remove illegal games, which should cover games that use stolen assets, and they also said they will remove games that are "straight up trolling", which would seem to cover shovelware games by definition. *shrugs*

From my POV it’s not about erotic content or people being offended. It’s about porly optimized or straight up broken games that is allready prevalent on steam. It’s Atari in 1982-83 all over again.

 

At least in physical stores you need a publisher to get your game out and this usually gives some QC that most of the time saves us from the worst crap (sure bad games get released but compleatly broken ones are not that common even if they do exist). Valve/steam should invest in acting more like a publisher with QC, most probably it will pay off in the long run.

 

 

bahh what do you care you only see a potential threat to your precious erotic games.



And as you might've guessed, Valve's new Steam policy has Social Justice Whiners getting their panties in a wad: 

No more censoring those "evil, secksust, mesahginest boobie games!" Anita on suicide watch. 

Last edited by KManX89 - on 08 June 2018