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Maxosaurus-rex said:
zygote said:

I think the problem here is not that this guy has the right to choose how to run his business and will reap the results.  The problem is that the Supreme Court set a precedence for future actions in the country.  So now, any business has the right to do the same with their services.  Suddenly, it becomes trendy to refuse services to a minority.  They still make money, even moreso because they were in the news and have the backing of those also against the minority.  Then those ideas start to strengthen as the majority cannot fully relate to the minority and superiority is a very addictive quality to humans.  If you cannot be a success in life, at least you can be better than this one group of people.

These are the seeds that can blossom into a widespread and common distaste for that particular minority which can eventually escalate to mass actions such as camps or forced migration.  Not long and we have a culture obsessed with a task that doesn't benefit anyone and anything but their own egos.

It shouldn't be up to companies and citizens to protect the writes of minorities and stand up for them.  It should be the job of the nation's leadership to protect every citizen.

You and insidb need to check your hyperbole 

They might be right. This guy is the second coming of Hitler. The jews are next .No more kosher cakes, then a few months later, Gas chamber's.



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I'm so torn over how to feel about this ruling. While I believe in religious freedom, the baker is also running a business. If you're going to discriminate who you bake cakes for, then all your customers should be screened, right? You shouldn't be baking for homosexuals, fornicators, adulterers, liars, people who cheat on income tax, people who do not pay back their debtors, theives (petty theft included), non-Christians, gluttons, etc; I find a lot of times religious people choose to follow their religion's respective guidelines when it's convenient for them.



eva01beserk said:
Maxosaurus-rex said:

You and insidb need to check your hyperbole 

They might be right. This guy is the second coming of Hitler. The jews are next .No more kosher cakes, then a few months later, Gas chamber's.

Considering this was a ruling which only had an impact on this case, I'm not worried about those things happening.

 

Next up, they are probably going to uphold the travel ban. 



CrazyGamer2017 said:

Laws/customs/culture can be very strange sometimes.

Here in Belgium, if a store refuses to serve someone based on their gender/beliefs/sexual orientation/color etc... That store would be guilty of discrimination.

I am really surprised that this is not the case in America. This ruling is clearly discriminatory, it's NOT the job or responsibility of the bakery to judge a customer's personal choices or life style. What's next? A store not serving a customer because he/she is black and then a tribunal upholding the ignorance of such a racist store?

Did you not read anything else before commenting?  That is not what happened.



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But of course, nobody should be forced to do anything they don't want to, that's absurd.
He doesn't want to make it, it's his own choice, how was that even a thing to be judged on?



MasterThief said:

honestly. the two things aren't the same. sexuality is a difference subject that has to do with how you view it religiously as well. religion doesn't tell you to be racist tho

They're both biological factors one has little control over. How are they different when it comes to discrimination? Is one more okay to discriminate against than another? If serving a certain race conflicted with your religion, would it be okay to refuse them service because of that?



Kirin_gaming said:
CrazyGamer2017 said:

Laws/customs/culture can be very strange sometimes.

Here in Belgium, if a store refuses to serve someone based on their gender/beliefs/sexual orientation/color etc... That store would be guilty of discrimination.

I am really surprised that this is not the case in America. This ruling is clearly discriminatory, it's NOT the job or responsibility of the bakery to judge a customer's personal choices or life style. What's next? A store not serving a customer because he/she is black and then a tribunal upholding the ignorance of such a racist store?

So in Belgium, you can go to a Jewish owned bakery and demand a cake that says kill all Jews?

How does that even come close to the issue of the bakery? How do you compare a customer asking for a gay wedding cake to a customer demanding a line that says kill all Jews?

In what universe those two cases could ever bare the smallest similarity to each other?



CrazyGamer2017 said:
Kirin_gaming said:

So in Belgium, you can go to a Jewish owned bakery and demand a cake that says kill all Jews?

How does that even come close to the issue of the bakery? How do you compare a customer asking for a gay wedding cake to a customer demanding a line that says kill all Jews?

In what universe those two cases could ever bare the smallest similarity to each other?

Both instances of being forced to do something you dont want to do. How different or severe thouse acts are is irrelevant.



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eva01beserk said:
CrazyGamer2017 said:

How does that even come close to the issue of the bakery? How do you compare a customer asking for a gay wedding cake to a customer demanding a line that says kill all Jews?

In what universe those two cases could ever bare the smallest similarity to each other?

Both instances of being forced to do something you dont want to do. How different or severe thouse acts are is irrelevant.

I can't believe I'm reading what you are saying...

You compare being forced to write something HORRIBLE as a line that says "kill all Jews" to simply doing your job of making a damn cake and not spending your time judging people because they are gay? His job is to make cakes, if he does not like different people maybe he should work in a different business or work inside the kitchen of a bakery and not at the front of the store where he actually meets customers. it's not his business if someone is gay and wants a gay cake, his business is to provide cakes REGARDLESS of sexual orientation of the customer, it's DISCRIMINATION just like it used to be for the black community not so long ago.

The fact that you equate "killing all Jews" to being gay implying that both are just as bad, is mind boggling.