CrazyGamer2017 said:
TH3-D0S3R said:
While this may not be the case in Europe and I'm not trying to equate these two issues together, would you sell a gun to a murderer if you owned a gunstore and you believe that everyone has the right to live their life freely?
If no, while again it doesn't equate to this scope, your making a hypocritical point.
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Why would I sell a gun to a murderer? In fact why would I sell a gun to anyone? People who don't plan to kill anyone won't buy a gun in the first place, all those massacres in America kind of rub our noses in this issue again and again and we don't learn from it.
But I digress, No I would not sell a gun to a murderer, I can't help to read what you will do with my answer cause I'm curious to see what is your point.
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Exactly. Point is, it's the owners BELIEF that every person has the right to live (in fact that's why an overwhelming majority of gun owners in America own guns, that way they can better protect themselves when someone decides to try and infringe on their right) and as such wont sell to someone who doesn't have the same moral standard as he does and wants to kill as many as possible. By the logic that you've been stating here, such as this statement here:
'I would use the law to force the baker to DO HIS JOB which It seems I must remind you is BAKING, not discriminating.'
Let me replace the words to fit in with the context of what I am and you were saying:
'I would use the law to force the gun store owner to DO HIS JOB which It seems I must remind you is SELLING GUNS, not discriminating.'
You see how this becomes an issue when you force this in practical business? If you make a baker bake cakes based on forced business and not their moral beliefs, this will translate over to society in all other businesses. Teens who need help will get access to over the counter pills based on discrimination. Murderers can get guns because they're being biased with predetermined tests. Etc.
Point is, the baker did the best he could to help the customers. He offered to make them anything else, as long as it wasn't a wedding cake, because it goes against his standards of marriage as a Christian of his branch. The point is, he made the effort to serve the customers as far as he could based on his beliefs, which is protected by the 1st Amendment. The man didn't force them out of his restaurant because they were gay, he offered brownies, cupcakes, cakes, and other items as long it didn't have mention of any marriage related material, which to me is more than fair. He never made them become Christian or stop being gay for his services, so this idea of the baker being discriminatory is stupid, incoherent, and illogical.
If the couple really wanted to just be like everyone else, they would've gone to another bakery which most likely wasn't far away at all, or they could've opened their own bakery. Instead, they forced their beliefs on the guy by taking this all the way to SCOTUS, where they got exposed for the bullies they were.
You can offer services to anyone, but forcing the store owner to do it or else discrimination prison is beyond bad, and as I stated before, sometimes bad discrimination to you helps good discrimination not be carried out. If you forced a man to bake a cake for a gay wedding or else discrimination, what then will stop the murderers from yelling discrimination when it comes to buying guns?
While you may not like it, in a way it is a necessary evil that does good. It equals free speech in that people can say terrible things but you also have the right to say whatever you want, and in both instances, there CAN BE CONSEQUENCES. If you don't like the baker's decisions and frequently buy from him, don't go there anymore and run him out of business.
Again, I agree with the baker, but there are counter balances that seem to be ignored.