TalonMan said:
Final-Fan said:
1. I disagree that the two paragraphs I was referring to are "unnecessary and combative". You didn't explain why you think they are, which was the question that was the entire point of my previous post. Even granting your claim that the "beta testing" comment exposed gratuitous ignorance of preexisting beta testing wouldn't support ioi's objection IMO.
2. I'm not Ganoncrotch. Just wanted to make sure you were aware of that after the very pointed "you" comments. (Didn't seem like a "general you" type of thing, though maybe it was meant that way.)
3. Good luck on fixing the site. I hope that people will remember that you are not the architect of their woes accessing the site, just as I hope you will remember that significant problems understandably result in upset users who may then be less than diplomatic in articulating those problems.
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1. They were absolutely unnecessary and combative - take those entire two paragraphs apart, and what are you really left with?
honestly right now not only is this not a site that I could ever recommend people come to join for the functions it offers, but it's one that I feel I'm going to go back into lurk mode rather than attempt to use anything other than the front page here because everything beyond that is just cross fingers mode that some page won't load and typing is wasted as it will never reach the site as intended.
I've reworded this post a few times to remove profanity from it (hopefully most of it) but yeah, I write it shaking my head, because I really enjoyed VGchartz and it genuinely upsets me to see it in the current condition. Could I at least suggest a few posts about the place or popups on area's which are being worked on? "beta testing function" on certain parts with the ability to revert to the old versions for those who do not want to be beta testing the site?
Out of that entire rant, there was ONE actual valid point (regarding beta testing) - but as I said, since the general context of the entire post was combative and antagonistic in nature (and as I said just before), the point was completely lost in all of this because of his attitude. I didn't even see this comment, until my last post when I dissected the entire thing. Tell me, beyond the one sentence "Could I at least suggest a few posts..." - was anything else in those two paragraphs actually constructive or helpful?
2. I know you're not Ganoncrotch - I quoted you solely because you were the latest person to rehash this. While quoting you though, my response was directed more towards Ganoncrotch, than you which is why I said "but I think it's only fair that I tear this thing right down and give @Ganoncrotch the full answer he wants:"
3. I completely disagree that people have a right to be "less than diplomatic" when reporting issues, no matter how frustrated they are. This is volunteer work for the most part, right? If I were the site owner, sure you'd have every right to blast my email or whatever else with whatever problems you are having - but since that's not the case here, there's absolutely no need to treat any of the volunteers that way (this includes moderators, other site admin, etc.). If you're unable to communicate an issue in a reasonable and civil manner, then don't bother.
Yes - people have a right to be angry, sure. But there is a way to express than anger without insulting people, though. And if your incapable of doing that, then I'm sorry but you'll receive no help from me in anyway...
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