theprof00 said: You say that you're being objective because you're not affected by the nostalgia of gen 1 players.... but really you're just being affected by your own nostalgia of the gens you grew up on.
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I'm not being objective. It's impossible to be objective with such a subjective topic as creature design. I grew up playing Gen 3 and 4. Most of my favourite Pokémon are from Gen 6, and I didn't even play X and Y that much.
theprof00 said: Look, as an objective opinion, gen 1 was really conservative with their designs. |
There's no such thing as an objective opinion. If it's objective, then it's not an opinion. But yeah, they were conservative with the designs. Probably because of hardware limitations, tbh.
theprof00 said: They used iconic animals and insects and just made them into poke.
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And magnets. And piles of mud. And fighting-styles. And eggs. And clouds of gas. And pokéballs. And purple blobs. And rocks.
theprof00 said: As someone who played gen 1 at launch, what I noticed specifically was that as the gens continued, it seemed like there was less focus on making a clever name and clever design, and more of a focus on "cool".
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Yeah, because Gen 1's names and designs were really clever.
Some great names, for example: Ekans = Snake backwards; Arbok = Kobra backwards; Seel = Seal; Dewgong = Dugong; Muk = Muck; Mr. Mime; Abra, Kadabra, Alakazam; Golem = Golem; Koffing = Coughing; Krabby (literally called Crab in Japanese);
For names, they usually just took two words in English in their entireties and put them together without altering anything (or altering very little): Beedrill = Bee + Drill; Sandslash = Sand + Slash; Bellsprout = Bell + Sprout; Ninetales = Nine + Tails; Venomoth = Venom + Moth; Horsea = Horse + Sea, etc.
Nowadays, they try to get more meanings and words (a lot in different languages) in a name to make it sound original. Decidueye, for example, is the combination of deciduous, duel and bullseye. Primarina is the combination of prima donna, marina and ballerina, etc.
And "clever designs"? Krabby is a literal crab. Ekans is just a snake. Venomoth is just a moth. Diglett is a capsule with three circles as two eyes and a nose. Dugtrio is just three Digletts slapped together. Poliwag is a regular tadpole. Geodude is a rock with a face and arms. Seel is just a seal. Dewgong is just a dugong. Grimer and Muk are piles of goo with faces. Gastly is a ball of gas with a face. Electrode is just Voltorb upside down. Goldeen is just a goldfish, etc. There are some clever designs, such as Eevee and Slowpoke, but they are few.
It's not clever to just get a random animal or object and call it a Pokémon. Nowadays they seem to try and incorporate cultural aspects and interesting creatures from around the world to make it look more unique. That's clever.
By the way, there's a Pokémon called Tentacool in Gen 1. They were trying to be cool.
theprof00 said: Additionally, newer pokemon have this kind of human quality and facial expressions that most of us didn't really like from the gen 1 types that did.
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I'd like examples, because I don't see that.
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theprof00 said: I'd say if you really want to understand the difference between the gens, just look at what seems to make gen 1 look more like actual animals or things, and what makes later gens seem more like cartoon characters. Later gens just kind of feel like they have "accessories" or "flair", yaknow like they thought they were too bland or something. They just feel kind of overdone.
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I think it's great that they look more like "cartoon characters". Having "accessories" or "flair" is not necessarily a bad thing. While there are some overdone Pokémon for sure, such as Vanilluxe, most detailed Pokémon actually look very good. One of my favourites is Aurorus.

It's a very detailed Pokémon, and it has "accessories". But they're all justified, and they all come together to form a cohesive, beautiful creature. Its body shape resembles an Amargasaurus, its main inspiration. Its colourful sails are based on aurorae, the gems on its body represent the Rock-type and its colours represent the Ice-type.