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AlfredoTurkey said: 

The Switch isn't a dedicated handheld and it's not 2004 anymore. The blue ocean has dried up. It's gone.

There's no real proof of that. The Switch is a mobile device that's able to distinguish itself from smartphones and conventional tablets. Being able to play with another person by passing a controller to them anywhere you are, is an appealing concept to the "Blue Ocean". Nintendo just needs to provide unique titles that can only be made possible by the Switch such as Nintendo Labo. 



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TheMisterManGuy said:

AlfredoTurkey said: 

The Switch isn't a dedicated handheld and it's not 2004 anymore. The blue ocean has dried up. It's gone.

There's no real proof of that. The Switch is a mobile device that's able to distinguish itself from smartphones and conventional tablets. Being able to play with another person by passing a controller to them anywhere you are, is an appealing concept to the "Blue Ocean". Nintendo just needs to provide unique titles that can only be made possible by the Switch such as Nintendo Labo. 

There's no proof? How about the fact that since the Wii started to die (the last 3/4 of its life), no home console has been able to sell itself to the blue ocean? You think that's just a coincidence? How did 1,2 Switch do? Did it light the world up sales wise like BOTW? How about Labo? How's THAT game selling out of the gates? Taking the world by storm yet? No?

Causal gamers left the scene years and years ago. They're all on tablets and iPhones now, if they're out there at all. The reason the Switch has sold so well is because of BOTW and core gamers... not casuals. The reason 1,2 Switch released and disappeared from our collective conscience is because there's no one left to by stuff like that in mass. 

If Nintendo wants to chase something that isn't there, let's just hope they do so intelligently. They can't afford to fudge this momentum up.



TheMisterManGuy said:
Cobretti2 said:

Well they could make more games, lower costs of carts to 3rd party so they want to pt their games on the system and we as the gamers don't need to download 3/4 of the game and maybe if the game is complete on cart we will buy them and you know what they will make money from the sale.

From what I can tell, Nintendo is eating as much cost as they can on the larger Switch cartridges. And if not, well they're not going to loose a ton of money off of trying to resolve a complaint that most publishers don't really have TBH. 

WhatATimeToBeAlive said:

Yeah, just like Microsoft and EA are "broadening the audience" with games as a service model. Will you be defending them if I say that GAAS-model sucks?

This is just a short-sighted strategy caused by creed. Stop damage controlling it.

GaaS is not an inherently bad model, it's just often badly executed. Overwatch, Splatoon 2, among others show how this model can work when done right. And Nintendo wanting to broaden the audience of the Switch isn't greed, at least not the scummy kind of greed. It's just a way for Nintendo to get the Switch into more people's hands and make more money. 

AlfredoTurkey said:

They can't have it both ways. Many have tried, all have failed. 

Except they can, they have the cash and resources to do so. They did it on the DS, they can do it on the Switch. 

Yeah, they did that "get it into more people's hand" tactic with the Wii. That wasn't the best result from a core-gamer's perspective. And how do you make casual-/mobile games that are any good compared to hardcore games?



"The rumours of my death have been greatly exaggerated."

- Single-player Game

This is what lead to the Wii being of the worst consoles of all time and by the far worst Nintendo one (not counting virtual) Non gamers shouldnt be targeted, they dont deserve to play games except for the junk on phones. Nintendo should put all their resources in to zelda, mario etc. One zelda game every 5 years is unacceptable. They released 3 in that time frame between 1998-2003.



mysteryman said:
Are they adding a DVD player?

That apparently did wonders in getting the PS2 to sell over 150+ million. :P

 

In all seriousness, its funny reading all of these "elitist" and "hardcore gamer" posts. I don't see a problem with what Nintendo are doing. Remember one of Iwata's greatest quotes? Games should be about fun for everyone. What's wrong with having a variety of people playing video games besides the typical gamer? One of my favorite times as a gamer was seeing my family and friends play on the Wii and I've been playing games since I first had the Sega Genesis and the SNES. And most of my family and friends are not necessarily part of the gamer description. So what? It was fun playing games, which is one of my long-time hobbies, with those who usually don't.

And even then, Nintendo still has Smash, Metroid Prime 4, Fire Emblem, Pokemon, Yoshi, Octopath Traveler, Monolith Soft's next project, Travis Strikes Back, Wolfenstein 2, Crash Trilogy, Okami, etc. coming to the Switch. So all of this nonsense about Nintendo abandoning core gamers is unwarranted. It was unwarranted back during the Wii/DS days. Those are two of my many favorite consoles. The DS not only had games like Brain Age and Nintendogs, but a plethora of JRPGs, Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, and new series that found their niche on DS like Layton and Ace Attorney. Heck, do people forget that Animal Crossing has a solid female fanbase in Japan (and I'm sure in the rest of the world)? Does that series scream "core gamer?"



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AlfredoTurkey said:

There's no proof? How about the fact that since the Wii started to die (the last 3/4 of its life), no home console has been able to sell itself to the blue ocean? You think that's just a coincidence? How did 1,2 Switch do? Did it light the world up sales wise like BOTW? How about Labo? How's THAT game selling out of the gates? Taking the world by storm yet? No?

Causal gamers left the scene years and years ago. They're all on tablets and iPhones now, if they're out there at all. The reason the Switch has sold so well is because of BOTW and core gamers... not casuals. The reason 1,2 Switch released and disappeared from our collective conscience is because there's no one left to by stuff like that in mass. 

If Nintendo wants to chase something that isn't there, let's just hope they do so intelligently. They can't afford to fudge this momentum up.

Wii's decline in sales latter in its life had more to due with Nintendo not evolving it and and basically abandoning it while prepping for Wii U. As for Labo and 1-2 Switch, 1-2 Switch's budget was nowhere near BotW's, so it's still a success as far as Nintendo's concerned as it made back its presumably shoestring budget and managed to push 2 million units in counting, which is still good for any game. In Labo's case, it's more of a Toy than a video game, Toys have different sales traction than games do, banking more on holiday sales than launch day. Nintendo plans to keep the momentum going, and hoping that Christmas will do the real work along with additional kits. 

You think the audience may be gone, but the evidence you give me isn't strong enough to back up that claim, it's just attempts to justify a delusion. 

WhatATimeToBeAlive said:

Yeah, they did that "get it into more people's hand" tactic with the Wii. That wasn't the best result from a core-gamer's perspective. And how do you make casual-/mobile games that are any good compared to hardcore games?

Nobody cares what a few vocal "hardcore" folk think. Point is, it gave Nintendo critical and commercial success generally speaking, and to a company, that's what matters. Casual games can be good, Nintendo has made good casual games before, just look at Brain Age and Wii Sports. Games are games, who cares how "hardcore" they have to be in order to be good.



contestgamer said:
This is what lead to the Wii being of the worst consoles of all time and by the far worst Nintendo one (not counting virtual) Non gamers shouldnt be targeted, they dont deserve to play games except for the junk on phones. Nintendo should put all their resources in to zelda, mario etc. One zelda game every 5 years is unacceptable. They released 3 in that time frame between 1998-2003.

Yes, let's overwork developers and stifle their creativity by forcing them to make AAA Zelda games every year until their hands bleed. I'd hate to see you run a game studio. 



TheMisterManGuy said:
contestgamer said:
This is what lead to the Wii being of the worst consoles of all time and by the far worst Nintendo one (not counting virtual) Non gamers shouldnt be targeted, they dont deserve to play games except for the junk on phones. Nintendo should put all their resources in to zelda, mario etc. One zelda game every 5 years is unacceptable. They released 3 in that time frame between 1998-2003.

Yes, let's overwork developers and stifle their creativity by forcing them to make AAA Zelda games every year until their hands bleed. I'd hate to see you run a game studio. 

MM wasnt creative at all... except being the most creative Zelda ever. I dont care about the developers, their job is to work as much as they can be worked to create triple A games. In the 90s and early 00s you routinely had developers in Japan sleeping in their offices, working 20 hours shifts, etc to get things done. Now you have this westernized notion of workers rights entering japan as well which is leading to a decline in work hours and productivity. 



TheMisterManGuy said:
contestgamer said:
This is what lead to the Wii being of the worst consoles of all time and by the far worst Nintendo one (not counting virtual) Non gamers shouldnt be targeted, they dont deserve to play games except for the junk on phones. Nintendo should put all their resources in to zelda, mario etc. One zelda game every 5 years is unacceptable. They released 3 in that time frame between 1998-2003.

Yes, let's overwork developers and stifle their creativity by forcing them to make AAA Zelda games every year until their hands bleed. I'd hate to see you run a game studio. 

You forgot to add “then people will complain that Nintendo doesn’t create new IPs and are just milking their old IPs”.



abronn627 said:
TheMisterManGuy said:

Yes, let's overwork developers and stifle their creativity by forcing them to make AAA Zelda games every year until their hands bleed. I'd hate to see you run a game studio. 

You forgot to add “then people will complain that Nintendo doesn’t create new IPs and are just milking their old IPs”.

They will make new IPs, they made plenty in the 80s and 90s and those developers were worked to the point that many of their health collapsed. It doesnt effect innovation. Infact their sadness/pressure reflected in Zelda MM and made it a better game as a result.