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Is it confirmed no Russians were hit?



 

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John2290 said:
Is it confirmed no Russians were hit?

It looks that way. I'm reading the Syrians had advance knowledge of the attack and the missile strike was largely a failure. They made preparations "a couple days ago"  If true, that's going to be a bad look for Einstein after opening his big, fat mouth about the strike "a couple days ago". Good night everyone. It's Psycho-Pass time!

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Mar1217 said:
Johnw1104 said:

I don't think there's an option on the table among the seemingly endless factions within Syria and those involving themselves from outside the country that will lead to a happy conclusion in the short term. I mean, you speak of "undemocratic decisions" and yet they live under an autocrat who uses chemical weapons on his own people. There aren't exactly any bloodless options to go with at this point.

These are just allegations, nothing has been proven yet. The UN's organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons were due to visit Damascus on Saturday to determine wheter chemical weapons were used in Douma in 7 April.

How inconvenient these strikes must be ...

So, you think going into a rampage to kill innocents life in the name of these "killings" are gonna brought us peace ? Diplomacy was and is still the better way to go, there's no excuse for these "democratic" states to not at least consult their pop. (a referendum) and make a clearer decision based on facts and not allegations.

First, no, this won't "bring peace". Frankly, I don't see how any "peace" will come about in that region for ages with all animosity between the many different religious groups and the contradictory interests of regional powers like Turkey and Iran, let alone Russia/Assad and western powers. If "peace" is subjugation by an autocratic monster like Assad, one must ask if that's even something to hope for. Heck, Putin is Assad's only friend at this point, and it's mighty coincidental that Russia's only year-round warm water naval port in the Mediterranean is located in Syria; no one, Putin included, are under the delusion that this man actually deserving of support, it's simply too important strategically for him not to do so.

Otherwise, he has been tied to use of chemical weapons in past investigations that no one this side of Putin or Assad disputes. You speak of "convenience", and yet just a couple of days ago Russia vetoed the UN's motion to set up an independent investigation into these allegations, so we'd never get to properly confirm blame regardless. 

Thus far they've targeted three separate locations all known to be involved in the production and storage of chemical weapons (specifically avoiding any Russian targets), and they're waiting to see how many targets they hit and how many were shot down before launching a second wave. It is hardly a "rampage to kill innocent life". All we can hope at this point is that the bombs were indeed "smart" and avoided as many additional casualties as possible, though I have no doubt both sides will claim minimal causalities on one side and hundreds or thousands on the other.

Seriously though, this won't bring about peace. I don't think a damn thing anyone is doing or attempting to do in Syria will bring peace. I truly have no idea what should (or can) be done.



John2290 said:
Is it confirmed no Russians were hit?

Their top priority in picking the targets, aside from being involved in the production or storage of chemical weapons, was making sure no Russians were anywhere near those targets. Hopefully they were right.



COKTOE said:
John2290 said:
Is it confirmed no Russians were hit?

It looks that way. I'm reading the Syrians had advance knowledge of the attack and the missile strike was largely a failure. They made preparations "a couple days ago"  If true, that's going to be a bad look for Einstein after opened his big, fat mouth about the strike "a couple days ago". Good night everyone. It's Psycho-Pass time!

It won't matter much. This is merely the first wave as they wait to see how much damage was inflicted. If they wish, they have far more missiles to fire than Russia has interceptor missiles.

One has to wonder what Russia's response will be though... will they physically place Russians around the country so as to deter attack? Their options are fairly limited for the moment otherwise, but that alone might be effective.



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God damn this misinformation. RT are saying Russia was informed, obviously but other western outlets are running with that while many others have a response from Russia that warns of consequences yet no mention Russia was informed. Is there a site out there that can actually update facts in real time without adding fake news and altering it 5 minutes later?



 

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John2290 said:
This is an act of war against Russia folks, it's done. America and Russia will soon be at war.

No they won't. 



John2290 said:
God damn this misinformation. RT are saying Russia was informed, obviously but other western outlets are running with that while many others have a response from Russia that warns of consequences yet no mention Russia was informed. Is there a site out there that can actually update facts in real time without adding fake news and altering it 5 minutes later?

It's not necessarily even fake news. When shit like this goes down no one really knows what has happened immediately and the only information available is largely misinformation via hearsay and telephone tag. How many times have we seen things like shooters or natural disasters be reported a dozen different ways throughout the day before solid information starts coming through?



Johnw1104 said:
Mar1217 said:

These are just allegations, nothing has been proven yet. The UN's organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons were due to visit Damascus on Saturday to determine wheter chemical weapons were used in Douma in 7 April.

How inconvenient these strikes must be ...

So, you think going into a rampage to kill innocents life in the name of these "killings" are gonna brought us peace ? Diplomacy was and is still the better way to go, there's no excuse for these "democratic" states to not at least consult their pop. (a referendum) and make a clearer decision based on facts and not allegations.

First, no, this won't "bring peace". Frankly, I don't see how any "peace" will come about in that region for ages with all animosity between the many different religious groups and the contradictory interests of regional powers like Turkey and Iran, let alone Russia/Assad and western powers. If "peace" is subjugation by an autocratic monster like Assad, one must ask if that's even something to hope for. Heck, Putin is Assad's only friend at this point, and it's mighty coincidental that Russia's only year-round warm water naval port in the Mediterranean is located in Syria; no one, Putin included, are under the delusion that this man actually deserving of support, it's simply too important strategically for him not to do so.

Otherwise, he has been tied to use of chemical weapons in past investigations that no one this side of Putin or Assad disputes. You speak of "convenience", and yet just a couple of days ago Russia vetoed the UN's motion to set up an independent investigation into these allegations, so we'd never get to properly confirm blame regardless. 

Thus far they've targeted three separate locations all known to be involved in the production and storage of chemical weapons (specifically avoiding any Russian targets), and they're waiting to see how many targets they hit and how many were shot down before launching a second wave. It is hardly a "rampage to kill innocent life". All we can hope at this point is that the bombs were indeed "smart" and avoided as many additional casualties as possible, though I have no doubt both sides will claim minimal causalities on one side and hundreds or thousands on the other.

Seriously though, this won't bring about peace. I don't think a damn thing anyone is doing or attempting to do in Syria will bring peace. I truly have no idea what should (or can) be done.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-22424188

well actually it was the united states backed rebels  trying to bring about sharia law that launched the attacks to begin with

 

and lets not forget that these wars were planned long before anyway



Kerotan said:
John2290 said:
This is an act of war against Russia folks, it's done. America and Russia will soon be at war.

No they won't. 

When the US launches a strike on a Russian ally with nothing more than media here say, they already are. They're waging a fucking proxy battle for months now. Surely the US has no interest in Assad having control in Syria. This is escalating way to quickly and aggressively, whether it is labeled open war or not is redundant, it's still a fucking war and it is going to mean more attacks for us in Europe and a greater war in the middle east. War is war, no matter where it's fought and this is dangerously close to having Global consequences, if the US were dupped here or there is other agendas at play this is ball shriving stuff.



 

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