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Is Justin Trudeau a disappointment?

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VGPolyglot said:
eva01beserk said:

I know what you need

I see two contradictory portrayals: some people portray the left as sensitive people who need safe spaces but they're also somehow portrayed as violent people

Not contradictory at all. They are violent towards anyone that disagrees with them and any majority group that isn't ashamed or guilty of their own majority. They require safe spaces because they cannot handle criticism or disagreement without violently lashing out or breaking down. I say that as someone that voted Bernie and would vote for him again



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contestgamer said:
VGPolyglot said:

I see two contradictory portrayals: some people portray the left as sensitive people who need safe spaces but they're also somehow portrayed as violent people

Not contradictory at all. They are violent towards anyone that disagrees with them and any majority group that isn't ashamed or guilty of their own majority.

How isn't it contradictory? You can't be portrayed as sensitive/all-talk people who need a safe space while also being portrayed as violent people who go head-on into groups of right-wingers and attack them.



VGPolyglot said:
contestgamer said:

Not contradictory at all. They are violent towards anyone that disagrees with them and any majority group that isn't ashamed or guilty of their own majority.

How isn't it contradictory? You can't be portrayed as sensitive/all-talk people who need a safe space while also being portrayed as violent people who go head-on into groups of right-wingers and attack them.

Simple, what he is saying is basically they can dish it out but cant handle it. They start being violent, they when they get some back they run off crying to their safe spaces. 



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VGPolyglot said:
contestgamer said:

Not contradictory at all. They are violent towards anyone that disagrees with them and any majority group that isn't ashamed or guilty of their own majority.

How isn't it contradictory? You can't be portrayed as sensitive/all-talk people who need a safe space while also being portrayed as violent people who go head-on into groups of right-wingers and attack them.

Sensitive people are often the most violent. Cant take the criticism because they cant debate on merits so they lash out via violence, whether that be physical or social such as shutting down speakers and events and framing the acceptability of certain conversations. 



eva01beserk said:
VGPolyglot said:

How isn't it contradictory? You can't be portrayed as sensitive/all-talk people who need a safe space while also being portrayed as violent people who go head-on into groups of right-wingers and attack them.

Simple, what he is saying is basically they can dish it out but cant handle it. They start being violent, they when they get some back they run off crying to their safe spaces. 

Could you give some examples?

contestgamer said:
VGPolyglot said:

How isn't it contradictory? You can't be portrayed as sensitive/all-talk people who need a safe space while also being portrayed as violent people who go head-on into groups of right-wingers and attack them.

Sensitive people are often the most violent. Cant take the criticism because they cant debate on merits so they lash out via violence, whether that be physical or social such as shutting down speakers and events and framing the acceptability of certain conversations. 

Social violence? I wouldn't count that as violence.



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VGPolyglot said:
eva01beserk said:

Simple, what he is saying is basically they can dish it out but cant handle it. They start being violent, they when they get some back they run off crying to their safe spaces. 

Could you give some examples?

contestgamer said:

Sensitive people are often the most violent. Cant take the criticism because they cant debate on merits so they lash out via violence, whether that be physical or social such as shutting down speakers and events and framing the acceptability of certain conversations. 

Social violence? I wouldn't count that as violence.

Social violence underlies virtually all forms of oppression, including Apartheid and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Shutting down free speech and limiting what people can believe, think and say is a worse form of violence than simple assault.



contestgamer said:
VGPolyglot said:

Could you give some examples?

Social violence? I wouldn't count that as violence.

Social violence underlies virtually all forms of oppression, including Apartheid and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Shutting down free speech and limiting what people can believe, think and say is a worse form of violence than simple assault.

That can only be enforced via the threat or intimidation of physical violence though.



VGPolyglot said:
contestgamer said:

Social violence underlies virtually all forms of oppression, including Apartheid and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Shutting down free speech and limiting what people can believe, think and say is a worse form of violence than simple assault.

That can only be enforced via the threat or intimidation of physical violence though.

Not necessarily. Peer pressure, ostracization itself is a form of violence. You may have views that no one around you considers to be within the acceptable realms of polite society and you wont express them out of fear of being isolated. We are social animals. Gays have faced social violence for decades - physical too, but most of them were afraid of the social isolation and ridicule that would often lead to suicide more than anything. 



contestgamer said:
VGPolyglot said:

That can only be enforced via the threat or intimidation of physical violence though.

Not necessarily. Peer pressure, ostracization itself is a form of violence. You may have views that no one around you considers to be within the acceptable realms of polite society and you wont express them out of fear of being isolated. We are social animals. Gays have faced social violence for decades - physical too, but most of them were afraid of the social isolation and ridicule that would often lead to suicide more than anything. 

OK, I guess that is true.



VGPolyglot said:
eva01beserk said:

I know what you need

I see two contradictory portrayals: some people portray the left as sensitive people who need safe spaces but they're also somehow portrayed as violent people

Let's be honest, it's whatever fits the made-up narrative the right tends to be fixated on at the time. 

Also, I find it funny that liberals are the ones who are teased with being oversensitive and in need of safe spaces, but isn't it conservatives who are aggressively fighting against progressive changes? Isn't it the right who are campaigning for 'traditional values' and crying about how the 'liberal agenda' is ruining the sanctity of marriage and the sanctity of their carefully held worldview? 

Isn't it Republicans who tend to hate that gays are getting rights? 

Isn't it Republicans who are so vehemently against the idea that the Muslim faith should have just as much right to assembly as theirs? 

Isn't it Republicans who are almost exclusively making up the ranks of the KKK and other white supremacy groups and are whining about 'the purity of the white race'? 

Being a republican doesn't make you hate black people, Muslims, gays, or the poor, but I don't know a whole lot of Democrats who are in the KKK. I don't know a whole lot of Democrats who hate Muslims. I don't know a lot of Democrats who aggressively oppose socialized healthcare. They exist, sure, but I see a whole lot more marching for Black Lives Matter, going to gay pride parades, and inviting Muslims into their neighbourhoods. 

Your political stance doesn't dictate all your values, but there certainly is a correlation between 'traditional values' and the right wing. 

So, given the fact that it's the right who are so offended by the idea of things changing, maybe we should be using the 'safe space' jokes to describe Republicans instead of Democrats. 

Remember, there's a significant difference between the phrases. "I'm offended" and "That is offensive." Using racial slurs doesn't tend to offend me personally because I'm white and I am well aware my kind have not historically been kind to folks of colour, but that doesn't mean I can't find it disgusting to hear people break ou such language in disparaging terms. 

It's stunning how disgusting some people can be when confronted with the fact that they're being rude or nasty. Your free speech to be racist, xenophobic, or homophobic may be protected by law, but when you react to being called out by others expressing their free speech to call you out on your prejudice by  calling them SJWs or Snowflakes, it shows that you don't care about what's right, you just care about being able to continue being terrible without consequence. 

That is why I don't respect people who use SJW or Snowflake as an insult. That's why as soon as 'safe spaces' are brought up in one of these pathetic debates, I tend to cash out and stop paying attention. 

A word to the not-so-wise: You're not some hero for clinging to your right to be ignorant, you're just an asshole. You're not spearheading some social progress, you're the last gasp of an unenlightened past that is slinging insults as a hail-mary play in a last ditch effort before your kind is snuffed out. Ten years from now, when this is all in the history books, you will be vilified as the bad guys. The future is integration, the future is unity, the future is tolerance, and you racist bastards are the past, just like those who voted to keep slaves and just like those who pushed for women not to vote and just like those who caused a fuss when black folks started being treated like equals. 

You are the bad guys. You are the villains. Your values are not the future, they are the past. 

I can't wait for history to prove me right, because I know exactly where this is headed; you'd best get on the train or be left behind.