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CGI-Quality said:

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Without a doubt, some of you have gone too far and will probably see moderations for it. I don't care how much you disagree with someone, calling people names, such as "racist", "stupid", or "troll" is against site rues and totally uncalled for. On the other hand, those of you who have perpetuated a prejudiced argument, and you know who you are, to take this thread far off topic will also see moderations. This will be the only Warning I give this thread. After that, curtains...

So let me get this straight: Being racist, aggressively ignorant, and trollish is fine, but calling people stupid or terrible for being racist or aggressively ignorant or trollish is not okay? 

Yeah, there's a reason I don't respect most people. 



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AngryLittleAlchemist said: 

@TranceformerFX

"I don't hate Black Panthers black cast, I hate that it's celebrated BECAUSE it has a black cast - and not because of the quality of the film itself. It's lauded for it's political identity, and not it's movie quality. It's a box office success because of it's cultural hype, and not because it had revolutionary VFX like Jurassic Park or Avatar. "

 

So do you hate Tom Cruise movies for getting popular because Tom Cruise is in it? 

What Tom Cruise movies have gotten popular solely on the basis of Tom Cruise being in them?  Are you crediting the success of the entire Mission Impossible franchise to just "Tom Cruise star power"?  Because if you remove the Mission Impossible films from the equation, War of the Worlds is the only film released within the last 20 years with him as the featured actor to appear in his top 10 grossing films. 

Rank Title (click to view) Studio Lifetime Gross / Theaters Opening / Theaters Date
1 War of the Worlds Par. $234,280,354 3,910 $64,878,725 3,908 6/29/05
2 Mission: Impossible II Par. $215,409,889 3,669 $57,845,297 3,653 5/24/00
- Austin Powers in Goldmember
(Cameo)
NL $213,307,889 3,613 $73,071,188 3,613 7/26/02
3 Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol Par. $209,397,903 3,555 $12,785,204 425 12/16/11
4 Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation Par. $195,042,377 3,988 $55,520,089 3,956 7/31/15
5 Mission: Impossible Par. $180,981,856 3,012 $45,436,830 3,012 5/22/96
6 Top Gun Par. $179,800,601 1,531 $8,193,052 1,028 5/16/86
7 Rain Man MGM $172,825,435 1,590 $7,005,719 1,248 12/16/88
8 The Firm Par. $158,348,367 2,393 $25,400,000 2,393 7/2/93
9 Jerry Maguire Sony $153,952,592 2,531 $17,084,296 2,531 12/13/96
10 A Few Good Men Col. $141,340,178 2,201 $15,517,468 1,925 12/11/92

If anything, films that feature Tom Cruise in the leading role often get overlooked because of his religious beliefs (Scientology).  Mission Impossible escapes this, because it's a film franchise spanning back to 96' with a segment of its fanbase that dates back even further to the tv series.  An original standalone film like Edge of Tomorrow didn't have that benefit.  Consequently, it suffered a 3rd place finish in its opening weekend and probably didn't make its money back at the box office despite it being a great film.  I may be nitpicking, but Tom Cruise couldn't have been a worse choice of an example of a movie coasting through the box office on the attachment of Tom Cruise's name alone.

 

More on topic though, I saw Black Panther last night and enjoyed it very much.  I recall telling my wife after seeing Black Panther's 1st on screen appearance in Captain America:  Civil War that I would watch a whole movie featuring that character.  I was not disappointed. 



Mandalore76 said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said: 

@TranceformerFX

"I don't hate Black Panthers black cast, I hate that it's celebrated BECAUSE it has a black cast - and not because of the quality of the film itself. It's lauded for it's political identity, and not it's movie quality. It's a box office success because of it's cultural hype, and not because it had revolutionary VFX like Jurassic Park or Avatar. "

 

So do you hate Tom Cruise movies for getting popular because Tom Cruise is in it? 

What Tom Cruise movies have gotten popular solely on the basis of Tom Cruise being in them?  Are you crediting the success of the entire Mission Impossible franchise to just "Tom Cruise star power"?  Because if you remove the Mission Impossible films from the equation, War of the Worlds is the only film released within the last 20 years with him as the featured actor to appear in his top 10 grossing films. 

Rank Title (click to view) Studio Lifetime Gross / Theaters Opening / Theaters Date
1 War of the Worlds Par. $234,280,354 3,910 $64,878,725 3,908 6/29/05
2 Mission: Impossible II Par. $215,409,889 3,669 $57,845,297 3,653 5/24/00
- Austin Powers in Goldmember
(Cameo)
NL $213,307,889 3,613 $73,071,188 3,613 7/26/02
3 Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol Par. $209,397,903 3,555 $12,785,204 425 12/16/11
4 Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation Par. $195,042,377 3,988 $55,520,089 3,956 7/31/15
5 Mission: Impossible Par. $180,981,856 3,012 $45,436,830 3,012 5/22/96
6 Top Gun Par. $179,800,601 1,531 $8,193,052 1,028 5/16/86
7 Rain Man MGM $172,825,435 1,590 $7,005,719 1,248 12/16/88
8 The Firm Par. $158,348,367 2,393 $25,400,000 2,393 7/2/93
9 Jerry Maguire Sony $153,952,592 2,531 $17,084,296 2,531 12/13/96
10 A Few Good Men Col. $141,340,178 2,201 $15,517,468 1,925 12/11/92

If anything, films that feature Tom Cruise in the leading role often get overlooked because of his religious beliefs (Scientology).  Mission Impossible escapes this, because it's a film franchise spanning back to 96' with a segment of its fanbase that dates back even further to the tv series.  An original standalone film like Edge of Tomorrow didn't have that benefit.  Consequently, it suffered a 3rd place finish in its opening weekend and probably didn't make its money back at the box office despite it being a great film.  I may be nitpicking, but Tom Cruise couldn't have been a worse choice of an example of a movie coasting through the box office on the attachment of Tom Cruise's name alone.

 

More on topic though, I saw Black Panther last night and enjoyed it very much.  I recall telling my wife after seeing Black Panther's 1st on screen appearance in Captain America:  Civil War that I would watch a whole movie featuring that character.  I was not disappointed. 

I don't think it's Scientology; I just think the IPs he's in just aren't as big as the megafranchises.



It more then likely will still make enough at the box office to make more money then Star Wars: The Last Jedi and take the #9 spot of the highest grossing movies world wide. But by the end of the year it will be back down two spots since Avengers: Infinity Wars and Jurassic Wold: Fallen Kingdom will make more money then it.



Darashiva said:
Well, saw the film finally earlier today. Really enjoyed it. Definitely in the top half of Marvel films just based on one viewing, though I don't think it's quite among the very best of the MCU. Still, a highly enjoyable movie with a great cast, an excellent villain, a good score and a very well told story.

Very underrated composer also a pretty good songwriter since he writes or co writes all the songs for Childish Gambino (Donald Glover).



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I'm curious about how much Infinity War is going to make. Black Panther is probably going to end up at 1.35 million. I'm wondering if Infinity War will have enough juice to get to 2 Billion.

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Darc Requiem said:
I'm curious about how much Infinity War is going to make. Black Panther is probably going to end up at 1.35 million. I'm wondering if Infinity War will have enough juice to get to 2 Billion. I

I'm thinking it should do at least $1.7 Billion world wide. 



Chris Hu said:
Darc Requiem said:
I'm curious about how much Infinity War is going to make. Black Panther is probably going to end up at 1.35 million. I'm wondering if Infinity War will have enough juice to get to 2 Billion. I

I'm thinking it should do at least $1.7 Billion world wide. 

I agree it should perform at least that well. It's going to do a lot more foreign than BP. I'm thinking 800 million domestic, 1 billion foreign.



Chris Hu said:
It more then likely will still make enough at the box office to make more money then Star Wars: The Last Jedi and take the #9 spot of the highest grossing movies world wide. But by the end of the year it will be back down two spots since Avengers: Infinity Wars and Jurassic Wold: Fallen Kingdom will make more money then it.

Oh, it's definitely passing TLJ WW. TLJ is topping out at $1.334B.  Currently, BP is just $32M from passing that. The way things are going, BP should do $24M of that at the DBO alone. It should end its run with ~$1. 34B-$1.35B.

Darc Requiem said: 

I'm curious about how much Infinity War is going to make. Black Panther is probably going to end up at 1.35 million. I'm wondering if Infinity War will have enough juice to get to 2 Billion.

I'm guessing IW will make anywhere from $1.7B-$2.1B. It all really just depends on the quality of the film. I do know that opening weekend is looking to smashing more than a few records. 



Insidb said:
Mandalore76 said:

What Tom Cruise movies have gotten popular solely on the basis of Tom Cruise being in them?  Are you crediting the success of the entire Mission Impossible franchise to just "Tom Cruise star power"?  Because if you remove the Mission Impossible films from the equation, War of the Worlds is the only film released within the last 20 years with him as the featured actor to appear in his top 10 grossing films. 

Rank Title (click to view) Studio Lifetime Gross / Theaters Opening / Theaters Date
1 War of the Worlds Par. $234,280,354 3,910 $64,878,725 3,908 6/29/05
2 Mission: Impossible II Par. $215,409,889 3,669 $57,845,297 3,653 5/24/00
- Austin Powers in Goldmember
(Cameo)
NL $213,307,889 3,613 $73,071,188 3,613 7/26/02
3 Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol Par. $209,397,903 3,555 $12,785,204 425 12/16/11
4 Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation Par. $195,042,377 3,988 $55,520,089 3,956 7/31/15
5 Mission: Impossible Par. $180,981,856 3,012 $45,436,830 3,012 5/22/96
6 Top Gun Par. $179,800,601 1,531 $8,193,052 1,028 5/16/86
7 Rain Man MGM $172,825,435 1,590 $7,005,719 1,248 12/16/88
8 The Firm Par. $158,348,367 2,393 $25,400,000 2,393 7/2/93
9 Jerry Maguire Sony $153,952,592 2,531 $17,084,296 2,531 12/13/96
10 A Few Good Men Col. $141,340,178 2,201 $15,517,468 1,925 12/11/92

If anything, films that feature Tom Cruise in the leading role often get overlooked because of his religious beliefs (Scientology).  Mission Impossible escapes this, because it's a film franchise spanning back to 96' with a segment of its fanbase that dates back even further to the tv series.  An original standalone film like Edge of Tomorrow didn't have that benefit.  Consequently, it suffered a 3rd place finish in its opening weekend and probably didn't make its money back at the box office despite it being a great film.  I may be nitpicking, but Tom Cruise couldn't have been a worse choice of an example of a movie coasting through the box office on the attachment of Tom Cruise's name alone.

 

More on topic though, I saw Black Panther last night and enjoyed it very much.  I recall telling my wife after seeing Black Panther's 1st on screen appearance in Captain America:  Civil War that I would watch a whole movie featuring that character.  I was not disappointed. 

I don't think it's Scientology; I just think the IPs he's in just aren't as big as the megafranchises.

That's even more to my point though.  A statement was made that Tom Cruise appearing in a movie makes that movie popular.  That may have been the case in the late 80's-early 90's, but that simply isn't true any more.  Look at "The Mummy" franchise for example.  Every single one of the Brendan Fraser films out-grossed the Tom Cruise led reboot from last year at the domestic box office (without even adjusting for inflation).  Granted, there were a lot of things wrong with last years reboot.  But, the Brendan Fraser trilogy took a severe drop in quality after the first one.  So the fact that "The Mummy:  Tomb of the Dragon Emperor", the 3rd Brendan Fraser Mummy film, outgrossed a reboot launching with "Tom Cruise star power" really says something about whether or not that "star power" is actually adding anything to a movie's gross at this point in time.