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DélioPT said:
Kai_Mao said:

I don't know if we can say this is a bad year, even with personal tastes aside. A lot of these ports are games that fans haven't played before because it was on Wii U or it was on other consoles and its a good opportunity to port them and showcase the portability factor with the Switch. Not saying its a legendary year, but its hard to say its a bad year at this time.

2018 has Kirby, Yoshi, Smash Bros., Mario Tennis Aces, and Labo so far in terms of first party titles (or concepts with Labo in mind). Then you have Fire Emblem confirmed for 2018 and potentially Pokemon. And its not unprecedented that Smash and Pokemon could release in the same year as ORAS and Smash Wii U released on the same day in NA, albeit on different consoles.

As for why Smash was announced, tough to tell. Nintendo will announce games when they're ready to show them or tease them.

But that could be said for every single game: there's always people who haven't played it.
Portability might give them a second life, but it's still ports and more ports... and Indies.

Honestly, so far, it's a bad year.
This is pretty much what people expect for the first year, not the second.

Kirby, Yoshi and Mario Tennis are all smaller franchises. And Labo, well, it really doesn't add anything of value for people who already own a Switch.

Pokémon might come, but that's a big "if".
It will depend on what kind of Pokémon game we are getting. If they are going for a new game and full HD, i really doubt they can pull it off.
Don't forget that they have had no meaningful experience in HD development. And if it took Nintendo 3 years to develop  New Super Mario Bros U... who knows when they can get that game out. Again, it will depend on what type of game we'll get.

Even if Pokémon and Smash release in 2018, that will most likely happen in the last 4-3 months. To me, that's not a good schedule planning.

 

Now that you mention it, they could have actually shown footage for Fire Emblem or Pokémon.
I don't want to jump to conclusions, but teasing Smash before showing footage of two big names, is not irrelevante. 
But... wait and see. 

I don’t know. It’s just hard for me to believe it’s a bad year. There are a lot of games announced that I haven’t played before so maybe that factors in as it probably factors into your opinion of the vice versa.

and you mentioned the issues of little games being expected for the first year. The first year was almost unprecedented. Not often do you see a console launch with what the Switch had: 2 all-timers in BoTW and Odyssey, new IPs in ARMS and Snipperclips, great sequels in Splatoon 2 and Xenoblade 2, a Deluxe port in MK8 that will eventually outsell its original version’s LT sales, Fire Emblem Warriors, and a plethora of indies and decent third party support (including Mario + Rabbids). So what else can Nintendo’s software teams come up with the match Zelda and 3D Mario? That alone is a tough act to follow.

but that doesn’t mean it’s a bad year, especially when we’re only 3 months in (and the start of Nintendo’s fiscal year) and with Kirby just about to release. 

As for fire emblem and Pokémon not showing up, they’ll show up when Nintendo and their respective teams are ready to show them. I don’t think we should speculate too much on those projects as Nintendo nor any of those teams promised anything besides 2018 (or 2018 and beyond if you’re talking about Pokémon). No need to be cynical about it.



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LipeJJ said:
ArnoldRimmer said:
I perfectly agree. In my eyes, Nintendo released all the great, typical system-sellers titles in the first months after the Switch release (probably in order to get create hype for and boost sales of the Switch), and now there's a long period of drought.
I can honestly say that there's currently not a single announced Switch game that I am excited for. And since Zelda released for WiiU as well, the latest Mario is still the only game that even makes me want to own a Switch.

Nintendo didn’t release even 1/3 of their system sellers tho. Pokémon, Super Smash Bros., 2D Mario and Animal Crossing are all bigger games than any game Nintendo released so far, excluding MK8 Deluxe, which is a port and should get a sequel eventually (well, maybe except AC, but seeing how many series are breaking their records on Switch, I’d not be surprised if it sold 15m~20m). 

I don’t see a drought either. I’m assuming you mean exclusives, since third party and indie games and constantly releasing on the system. Feb got Bayonetta 2 + 1, March has Kirby Star Allies, April got Labo 1 and 2, May have DKCTF and Hyrule Warriors DE, June has Mario Tennis Aces and July has Captain Toad Treasure Tracker. At least 1 exclusive each month. If they’re good for a specific person, that’s another question... but there really is not a drought from any perspective. You can say you don’t like any of those games, and that’s ok.

 

Yeah I certainly wouldn't call it a drought. It's just that a MAJOR Nintendo franchise isn't hitting until Smash, presumably in the Fall. Nintendo has filled the first half of the year with a few ports of old games (bayonetta, DK, Hyrule Warriors, Toad Treasure) and a couple new ones (Kirby, Mario Tennis) as well as the Labo release which I think is more like a peripheral than a game release. With all the indie games constantly being released and some new third party games and third party ports it is by no means a draught or anything, just not a strong first half of the year. I think one more port (Mario Maker anyone??) or Yoshi hitting first half of the year would have shored it up a bit. And we have no idea what is coming from August - December other than Yoshi and Smash. Smash is obviously a HUGE release for the year. Hopefully Nintendo will have a few more AA Ninty games for the Fall and I'm sure plenty of third party games will be arriving for the holiday season.

Ideally Nintendo would release at least one MAJOR Nintendo franchise every 6 months (major as in either sales or just franchise importance and industry respect). I think of these franchises as Zelda, Mario Kart, Mario, Smash, Animal Crossing, Pokemon, Metroid, 2D Mario, and now Splatoon. In 2017 they released 3 new major franchise games plus one port, that was a huge year. So when you think about it like that it makes sense that there won't be another one until second half of 2018. But in 2019 and 2020 we're likely to get 2D Mario, AC, Pokemon and Metroid, so that's one every 6 months, plus no doubt some HD ports of older games in those franchises and a boatload of Nintendo's slightly less major franchises.

Personally I still need to play through Zelda so that'll take up the next half year probably. The only game I'll likely get that I know of right now for this year is Octopath Traveler which looks awesome, I'll probably end up getting Smash as well, and then I'm sure I'll end up picking up a few $15-$20 indie/third party games just like I did last year.



DélioPT said:
Kai_Mao said:

I don't know if we can say this is a bad year, even with personal tastes aside. A lot of these ports are games that fans haven't played before because it was on Wii U or it was on other consoles and its a good opportunity to port them and showcase the portability factor with the Switch. Not saying its a legendary year, but its hard to say its a bad year at this time.

2018 has Kirby, Yoshi, Smash Bros., Mario Tennis Aces, and Labo so far in terms of first party titles (or concepts with Labo in mind). Then you have Fire Emblem confirmed for 2018 and potentially Pokemon. And its not unprecedented that Smash and Pokemon could release in the same year as ORAS and Smash Wii U released on the same day in NA, albeit on different consoles.

As for why Smash was announced, tough to tell. Nintendo will announce games when they're ready to show them or tease them.

But that could be said for every single game: there's always people who haven't played it.
Portability might give them a second life, but it's still ports and more ports... and Indies.

Honestly, so far, it's a bad year.
This is pretty much what people expect for the first year, not the second.

Kirby, Yoshi and Mario Tennis are all smaller franchises. And Labo, well, it really doesn't add anything of value for people who already own a Switch.

Pokémon might come, but that's a big "if".
It will depend on what kind of Pokémon game we are getting. If they are going for a new game and full HD, i really doubt they can pull it off.
Don't forget that they have had no meaningful experience in HD development. And if it took Nintendo 3 years to develop  New Super Mario Bros U... who knows when they can get that game out. Again, it will depend on what type of game we'll get.

Even if Pokémon and Smash release in 2018, that will most likely happen in the last 4-3 months. To me, that's not a good schedule planning.

 

Now that you mention it, they could have actually shown footage for Fire Emblem or Pokémon.
I don't want to jump to conclusions, but teasing Smash before showing footage of two big names, is not irrelevante. 
But... wait and see. 

Reading your comments for the last weeks makes me think that no matter what happened, really no matter at all, you would always find a way to be unhappy with Nintendo / the Switch. Even when they released every game you wanted with Pokemon tomorrow and Metroid Prime 4 the day after, you probably said that they would face problems now since all the heavy hitters are released now and there's not much left anymore.

Not meant in an offensive way but you are always concerned when you speak about the Switch. Even when it does fine.



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Pagan said:
For everyone refering to an older post of me. I have still my Pc and my Switch. But i am waiting just until E3. Ps4 xbox sold.

So the other post wasn't entirely factual?

Either way, the sentiment is the same and you were expressing dissatisfaction as a whole with gaming. It just helps to put the thread into context.  It happens, man.  Hopefully Nintendo can do something at E3 that will pique your interest in the Switch.



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DélioPT said:
Kai_Mao said:

I don't know if we can say this is a bad year, even with personal tastes aside. A lot of these ports are games that fans haven't played before because it was on Wii U or it was on other consoles and its a good opportunity to port them and showcase the portability factor with the Switch. Not saying its a legendary year, but its hard to say its a bad year at this time.

2018 has Kirby, Yoshi, Smash Bros., Mario Tennis Aces, and Labo so far in terms of first party titles (or concepts with Labo in mind). Then you have Fire Emblem confirmed for 2018 and potentially Pokemon. And its not unprecedented that Smash and Pokemon could release in the same year as ORAS and Smash Wii U released on the same day in NA, albeit on different consoles.

As for why Smash was announced, tough to tell. Nintendo will announce games when they're ready to show them or tease them.

But that could be said for every single game: there's always people who haven't played it.
Portability might give them a second life, but it's still ports and more ports... and Indies.

Honestly, so far, it's a bad year.
This is pretty much what people expect for the first year, not the second.

Kirby, Yoshi and Mario Tennis are all smaller franchises. And Labo, well, it really doesn't add anything of value for people who already own a Switch.

Pokémon might come, but that's a big "if".
It will depend on what kind of Pokémon game we are getting. If they are going for a new game and full HD, i really doubt they can pull it off.
Don't forget that they have had no meaningful experience in HD development. And if it took Nintendo 3 years to develop  New Super Mario Bros U... who knows when they can get that game out. Again, it will depend on what type of game we'll get.

Even if Pokémon and Smash release in 2018, that will most likely happen in the last 4-3 months. To me, that's not a good schedule planning.

 

Now that you mention it, they could have actually shown footage for Fire Emblem or Pokémon.
I don't want to jump to conclusions, but teasing Smash before showing footage of two big names, is not irrelevante. 
But... wait and see. 


It seems like you are jumping through all sorts of hoops to try and make it seem like the 2018 lineup is bad.

 

"Kirby, Yoshi and Mario Tennis are all smaller franchises."

What does this have to do with anything? Even if that was relevant, they are all franchises that almost always sell over 1 million and have each done over 2 million.

 

"And Labo, well, it really doesn't add anything of value for people who already own a Switch."

What is this statement based on? How do you know the ~15 million people who own a Switch at the moment don't see value in Labo?

 

"Even if Pokemon and Smash release in 2018, that will most likely happen in the last 4-3 months. To me, that's not good schedule planning."

From Feb-July (6 months), Nintendo has/will publish 9 games 1st/2nd party games on Switch. Even if we exclude the Wii U ports, that is still 5 new games in 6 months. Thats like the exact defintion of good schedule planning.

 

 

You have been pretty negative on all things Switch related since before it was even released and have been wrong about pretty much everything so maybe if you stop being so negative, you can be right for once.



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Kai_Mao said:
DélioPT said:
     

I don’t know. It’s just hard for me to believe it’s a bad year. There are a lot of games announced that I haven’t played before so maybe that factors in as it probably factors into your opinion of the vice versa.

and you mentioned the issues of little games being expected for the first year. The first year was almost unprecedented. Not often do you see a console launch with what the Switch had: 2 all-timers in BoTW and Odyssey, new IPs in ARMS and Snipperclips, great sequels in Splatoon 2 and Xenoblade 2, a Deluxe port in MK8 that will eventually outsell its original version’s LT sales, Fire Emblem Warriors, and a plethora of indies and decent third party support (including Mario + Rabbids). So what else can Nintendo’s software teams come up with the match Zelda and 3D Mario? That alone is a tough act to follow.

but that doesn’t mean it’s a bad year, especially when we’re only 3 months in (and the start of Nintendo’s fiscal year) and with Kirby just about to release. 

As for fire emblem and Pokémon not showing up, they’ll show up when Nintendo and their respective teams are ready to show them. I don’t think we should speculate too much on those projects as Nintendo nor any of those teams promised anything besides 2018 (or 2018 and beyond if you’re talking about Pokémon). No need to be cynical about it.

I know that in terms of quantity, Switch is in a better place than 2017. But it's not quantity that actually sells HW, now or tomorrow.
And in that regard, the quality in 2018 has, so far, really dipped.
I know that 2017 is almost impossible to beat (new concept (unrepeatable), revised Zelda and Mario, Splatoon sequel and MK 8 (a port, but really loved by gamers), but what we are seeing is a result of Nintendo's planning, which was frontload the console in 2017 and have smaller franchises and one (Smash) or more (unconfirmed at this point) pick up the slack... towards the end of the year.

To me, that bad planning resulted in 2018, being a bad year in terms of great, system selling titles. It's really unbalanced.

I understand that Pokémon isn't ready to show, but Fire Emblem? The game was announced early last year and is releasing this year. I think it's fair to expect something concrete by now.
But that's not even the main point. My point is that, if you look objectively at it, the best way to create hype, is to leave the big surprises for last and not reveal them way before because after that you risk lowering the hype for your system.

GoOnKid said:
DélioPT said:

 

Reading your comments for the last weeks makes me think that no matter what happened, really no matter at all, you would always find a way to be unhappy with Nintendo / the Switch. Even when they released every game you wanted with Pokemon tomorrow and Metroid Prime 4 the day after, you probably said that they would face problems now since all the heavy hitters are released now and there's not much left anymore.

Not meant in an offensive way but you are always concerned when you speak about the Switch. Even when it does fine.

I get what you are saying. No worries.

But the thing is, my concerns, ever since the January reveal have been proven almost always right.
After the presentation i questioned why we weren't seeing more and bigger 3rd parties on stage/announcing games; i also wondered why Nintendo weren't revealing more of their 2018 plans. After the Wii U fiasco, i really felt that was a huge point they failed at during the reveal.
I was told to expect them later. Nintendo wasn't going to reveal their cards just like that.
So i waited for E3 and what i saw still wasn't good: why reveal non-2018 titles like MP4 and Pokémon and not more 2018 games?
Again, i was told to wait - 2017 wasn't over. So, i waited again.

2017 was over and no big game was announced for 2018 and the release schedule for the first half was bare.
The January Direct only brought us ports and Mario Tennis and with that, pretty much the full line-up for the first half.
This recent Direct didn't bring a system seller for the first half as i hoped. Smash was unexpectedly revealed, though.
To be honest, i find odd that they revealed Smash now. I would expect some other big title and Smash for E3.

 

So you see, i was right in being concerned for 2018, despite hearing some criticism on my "pessimism".
What we have right now is a single system seller for 2018. With that i'm not saying that more stuff can't be announced, to go along Smash as another system seller, but, i have my doubts. Specially when Nintendo's actions haven't really filled me with confidence that their 2018 planning was good.

I don't want to really write a whole lot about this - i could - but if 2018 turns out to be just about Smash, 2019 will have to rely heavily on it when that shouldn't be the case. We should be seeing a different Nintendo by now (streamlining SW production).
Yes, Switch is selling great right now, but if you look at sales of all 3 consoles for 2017, you'll see that Switch didn't make a dent on Sony and MS' consoles sales. So, what i think we should be seeing now is Nintendo doing more to really start stealing consumers from MS and Sony.
Sony might wait longer for a new generation, but MS won't wait and we know that when they want, they can succeed.

Sorry for the long text. That was to show that my concerns have reasons behind them.



zorg1000 said:
DélioPT said:

 


It seems like you are jumping through all sorts of hoops to try and make it seem like the 2018 lineup is bad.

 

"Kirby, Yoshi and Mario Tennis are all smaller franchises."

What does this have to do with anything? Even if that was relevant, they are all franchises that almost always sell over 1 million and have each done over 2 million.

 

"And Labo, well, it really doesn't add anything of value for people who already own a Switch."

What is this statement based on? How do you know the ~15 million people who own a Switch at the moment don't see value in Labo?

 

"Even if Pokemon and Smash release in 2018, that will most likely happen in the last 4-3 months. To me, that's not good schedule planning."

From Feb-July (6 months), Nintendo has/will publish 9 games 1st/2nd party games on Switch. Even if we exclude the Wii U ports, that is still 5 new games in 6 months. Thats like the exact defintion of good schedule planning.

 

 

You have been pretty negative on all things Switch related since before it was even released and have been wrong about pretty much everything so maybe if you stop being so negative, you can be right for once.

I'm saying it's bad because when i look at games that can sell a system i only find Smash. And to me that's the most important aspect of a release Schedule for any console manufacturer.

My comment on Labo was made in regards to the actual games it provides. Which, to be honest, they feel like tech demos, to me.
My personal opinion on Labo is that i don't see it being successful in the long run. It will be fun at first but the constant need to build and be paid with a "tech demo" will eventually put people off. Not to mention that replacing broken parts probably won't be easy to do so (mostly due to logistics).

From your list, on your thread, the new games are Kirby and Mario Tennis Aces... with Labo, three, if you add it.
Everything else is a port.
But even if we overlooked the above, how is it good planning to frontload the console in a year and leave the smaller franchises/non system selling titles for the next year? Again, to me, that's not good planning, both in terms of quantity and quality.

Yes, i have been concerned about Switch and with good reason, if you ask me.
2018's calendar, so far, has proven my concerns to be true.

I'll stop being concerned when i see two things:
Nintendo stops being so reliant on ports to sell the system and when we start seeing a flow of new IPs.
Nintendo has had enough time (since 2015!) to show that concentrating the bulk of your SW development efforts on single device would result in a better, improved Nintendo.



If you are only looking at Nintendo's offerings and you hate Smash and Mario sports this is probably going to be a bad year.

But so far there are several interesting games that have or going to drop in 2018. Frankly a better topic would be 2019, after Smash and with the belief that we will get a Fire Emblem this year as well along with the Yoshi title and the soon to be released Kirby title, what does Nintendo even have to highlight 2019 when that rolls around?

But 2018, looks solid and the potential quality 3rd party games albeit many ports plus mostly single player content such as South Park, Valykria Chronicles 4, Wolfenstien 2 and Pillars of Eternity coming I can't fathom saying that the year will be hurting in terms of quality.



Well, it's almost certain now that Nintendo won't be getting good third-party support from the BIG western studios this year and probably never, since games from now on will only demand more power, it'll either be old ports like Dark Souls and South Park or pixel art indies which are just meh.

Also seeing that the Switch barely makes it out alive when running Doom (612p 20fps??) doesn't really help its third-party, AAA game capable case.

Definitely an underwhelming start to the second year.

RIP Switch 3rd party support