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davygee said:
 

The thing is, there is no point in MS having a handheld that predominately gets ports from PC and 360 versions of games. This is where the PSP went wrong initially. You cannot compete with a home console at the same game. Also, cost is a big issue. The unit probably needs to come in around £150 or under $200 when it's released. It doesn't matter what it does, just look at the PSP, it's so versatile are doing loads of functions, but the cost was a big problem and having to compete with a dedicated games handheld with the DS, this is where it lost out on sales over the last year.

The Xbox handheld would need to have a slew of dedicated titles; can MS dedicate the time and costs to do this in a unknown market.

Also, they will probably try and release it nearer the end of the PSP's and DS's lifespan, which IMHO would be around 2009/2010 to get in there before the DS Advance and the PSP2 is released, but I reckon the cost would be huge. Whereas the next PSP or PSP2 would only need to be slightly more powerful and incorporate another analogue as well as a larger integrated memory allocation as well as a much better battery life and quicker UMD drive. The DS Advance will probably be, better graphically, but will look similar to the DS at the moment. And both will be backward compatible. Whereas the Xbox Handheld would have to start from scratch. It will undoubtably come last in the next generation of handheld wars and probably by far.


You may very well be correct but I think they have a better shot at the handheld market than they ever did with the home console. The handheld market is generally raw in comparison. Their competition is DS & PSP both of which have very few games (relative to home consoles) with the DS having a big advantage due to compatibility with the GBA. On home consoles we had a PS2 with a crapload of games, and PS1 as support as well as established big names such as Sega and Nintendo to deal with. Catching up to handhelds should much easier to do since the games are cheaper and faster to produce. The PSP especially, is very raw since its library is particulary lacking. I think the longer they wait, the harder it will become since it gives the PSP more time to establish itself like the PS2. But yes i agree. The portable needs to be in the sub $200 range, and they need to have really good games available at launch. They have deep pockets so I wont put anything past them.



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marc said:


You may very well be correct but I think they have a better shot at the handheld market than they ever did with the home console. The handheld market is generally raw in comparison. Their competition is DS & PSP both of which have very few games (relative to home consoles) with the DS having a big advantage due to compatibility with the GBA. On home consoles we had a PS2 with a crapload of games, and PS1 as support as well as established big names such as Sega and Nintendo to deal with. Catching up to handhelds should much easier to do since the games are cheaper and faster to produce. The PSP especially, is very raw since its library is particulary lacking. I think the longer they wait, the harder it will become since it gives the PSP more time to establish itself like the PS2. But yes i agree. The portable needs to be in the sub $200 range, and they need to have really good games available at launch. They have deep pockets so I wont put anything past them.


I would like them to release a handheld, it would be interesting to see what they could do.  It would have to be special though and IMHO the DS and the PSP have it all wrapped up.

People keep saying this...and it's now become a bit of an urban myth (untrue at that).  The PSP has a plethora of great games catering for the entire gaming market.  MS would need to release a handheld with a truely next gen gaming experience in your hand as well as with a hugh catalogue of games for release to have any chance. 



Prediction (June 12th 2017)

Permanent pricedrop for both PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro in October.

PS4 Slim $249 (October 2017)

PS4 Pro $349 (October 2017)



marc said:
dgm6780 said:
you attacked GTA has teenage but I have yet to see one adult themed DS game brought up. did hear about one adult themed DS game on the boards recently tho. called doki doki something, some game about molesting little boys/girls ?!

hmm so what do those 18-27 year old males like anyways...



sports
DS = Mario Hoops 3 v 3
PSP = NBA Street : Showdown

racing
ds=mario kart
psp = gran turismo

shooter
ds= ???
psp = SOCOM, Medal of Honor : Heros, Syphon Filter

fighting
ds=Naruto Ninja Council 3
psp = Tekken 5, Mortal Kombat Deception: Unchained, Steet Fighter Alpha 3

anyone arguing that DS is winning the adult demographic is nutty. they sell to the youngsters , but sell quite well. Not saying which is "better" just saying if you are above the age 17 the PSP is better ;)


Well here is the thing. For a portable, certain genre simply will not work well no matter what you try to do. For example, I would never play a FPS on a portable. The screen is too small and I just wouldnt enjoy it since FPS generally require precision which a portable just cant offer. For racing games, Mario Kart, as childish as look it is a lot more fun to play than Gran Turismo overall. Fighting games in general suck unless you play against someone so those are not really a big deal. What I really want are RPG's and strategy games.

So I went to gamespot and looked at the list for the PSP.

Here is what I might get if I had a PSP:

Valkyrie Profile: Lenneth
Ys: The Ark of Napishtim
Final Fantasy Tactics: The War of the Lions <- not out yet
Dungeons & Dragons Tactics <- not out yet
Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops
Mega Man Powered Up <- ...maybe... it looks horrible but i would give it a shot
Armored Core: Formula Front
Maybe a Star Wars adventure game

As you can see, for someone who enjoys strategy & RPG there just isnt anything there and those that are listed are basically despiration if I had a PSP save for FF, D&D, & Armored Core.

Here is what I might get if I had a DS:

Final Fantasy III
Lunar: Dragon Song
Maybe a Pokemon game just to see what the hell its all about
Age of Empires: The Age of Kings
Advance Wars: Dual Strike
Final Fantasy Tactics A2: Fuuketsu no Grimoire <- not out yet
Ys Strategy <- maybe... not out yet
SimCity DS <- not out yet
Front Mission 1st <- not out yet
Disciples II DS <- maybe... not out yet
The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass <- not out yet
Maybe a Star Wars adventure game
Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin
Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow
Metroid Prime: Hunters
Mega Man ZX

As you can see, for a person like me (older gamers) the DS list is much larger and we havent even spoken of GBA games some available for pennies with some great games in there. Just from the GB Advanced, I would want some of the older titles like:

Castlevania: Circle of the Moon
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
Tactics Ogre: The Knight of Lodis
Final Fantasy Tactics
Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones
Phantasy Star Collection
Final Fantasy V Advance
Metroid: Zero Mission
Shining Force: Resurrection of the Dark Dragon

etc etc This is probably why the DS is so strong. It has a lot of games across genres that appeal to wider range of gamers. FPS are not really that big outside of the US & Europe and even then, I dont think people would want to play them on a tiny little hand held.


If you like those turn-based strategy games, you can add "Lord of the Rings: Tactics", "Popolo Crois", "Yu-Gi-Oh", "Metal Gear Acid" and "Metal Gear Acid 2" to your list.  The "Metal Gear Acid"s are actually turn-based card games.  You might also like "Star Trek: Tactical Assault".  You can also import "Gundam Battle Tactics", 
which I hear is mostly in English, so it might be playable even if it is a Japanese release.  Looking into the future, you can also add "Castlevania: Dracula X Chronicles/Symphony of the Night" (yes, both games are packed together) to your PSP list.

In terms of PSP RPG's, you're missing quite a few there.  "Dungeon Siege", "Tales of Eternia", 
"Final Fantasy", "Final Fantasy II", "Legend of Heroes", "Legend of Heroes II" , "Legend of Heroes III", "Riviera", "Elder Scrolls", "Kingdom of Paradise".  There's also "Untold Legends" and "Untold Legends 2".

If you like Zelda, you can also add "Gurumin".

If you like GBA games, a modified PSP will run all the GBA games you want, as well as PS1 games 
("Final Fantasy VII", "Diablo", etc.), Genesis, MAME, NeoGeoCD, Sega Master, SNES, NES, GB/GBC.

I disagree that the screen is too small to play an FPS.  There are a lot of people out there who play FPS 
(Doom, Doom2, Hexen, Duke Nukum, Quake) on smaller screens (Palm and PocketPC PDA's) with no 
problem.  I also disagree that portables are not good for certain genres.   People say this because they associate portable with stop-go-stop short bursts of gaming, which, on the PSP, is fine because the PSP has a sleep feature.  You can pause any game and put the PSP to sleep mode (the default when you toggle the ON/OFF switch; you have to hold it for 5 seconds if you actually want to turn the system off all the way).  When you turn it on again, you're back exactly where you left off. 

 



Again, Microsoft already has their portable. It's called the PocketPC. All of Microsoft's consoles have run on Microsoft Windows technology. That's why it was so easy to move PC-based homebrew to the Xbox1. That's why the 360 can interact with Windows Media Center Edition.  That's why 360 games are so easily ported 
to PC.  They are all using the same technology at their cores.  A portable running Windows technology is known as a PocketPC. If Microsoft released a portable using the same recipe it uses for all its other consoles, hackers will have it converted back into a PocketPC PDA within 6 months, though it would probably lack the touchscreen and require some other form of input.

 



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JSF said:
marc said:
dgm6780 said:
you attacked GTA has teenage but I have yet to see one adult themed DS game brought up. did hear about one adult themed DS game on the boards recently tho. called doki doki something, some game about molesting little boys/girls ?!

hmm so what do those 18-27 year old males like anyways...



sports
DS = Mario Hoops 3 v 3
PSP = NBA Street : Showdown

racing
ds=mario kart
psp = gran turismo

shooter
ds= ???
psp = SOCOM, Medal of Honor : Heros, Syphon Filter

fighting
ds=Naruto Ninja Council 3
psp = Tekken 5, Mortal Kombat Deception: Unchained, Steet Fighter Alpha 3

anyone arguing that DS is winning the adult demographic is nutty. they sell to the youngsters , but sell quite well. Not saying which is "better" just saying if you are above the age 17 the PSP is better ;)


Well here is the thing. For a portable, certain genre simply will not work well no matter what you try to do. For example, I would never play a FPS on a portable. The screen is too small and I just wouldnt enjoy it since FPS generally require precision which a portable just cant offer. For racing games, Mario Kart, as childish as look it is a lot more fun to play than Gran Turismo overall. Fighting games in general suck unless you play against someone so those are not really a big deal. What I really want are RPG's and strategy games.

So I went to gamespot and looked at the list for the PSP.

Here is what I might get if I had a PSP:

Valkyrie Profile: Lenneth
Ys: The Ark of Napishtim
Final Fantasy Tactics: The War of the Lions <- not out yet
Dungeons & Dragons Tactics <- not out yet
Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops
Mega Man Powered Up <- ...maybe... it looks horrible but i would give it a shot
Armored Core: Formula Front
Maybe a Star Wars adventure game

As you can see, for someone who enjoys strategy & RPG there just isnt anything there and those that are listed are basically despiration if I had a PSP save for FF, D&D, & Armored Core.

Here is what I might get if I had a DS:

Final Fantasy III
Lunar: Dragon Song
Maybe a Pokemon game just to see what the hell its all about
Age of Empires: The Age of Kings
Advance Wars: Dual Strike
Final Fantasy Tactics A2: Fuuketsu no Grimoire <- not out yet
Ys Strategy <- maybe... not out yet
SimCity DS <- not out yet
Front Mission 1st <- not out yet
Disciples II DS <- maybe... not out yet
The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass <- not out yet
Maybe a Star Wars adventure game
Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin
Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow
Metroid Prime: Hunters
Mega Man ZX

As you can see, for a person like me (older gamers) the DS list is much larger and we havent even spoken of GBA games some available for pennies with some great games in there. Just from the GB Advanced, I would want some of the older titles like:

Castlevania: Circle of the Moon
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
Tactics Ogre: The Knight of Lodis
Final Fantasy Tactics
Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones
Phantasy Star Collection
Final Fantasy V Advance
Metroid: Zero Mission
Shining Force: Resurrection of the Dark Dragon

etc etc This is probably why the DS is so strong. It has a lot of games across genres that appeal to wider range of gamers. FPS are not really that big outside of the US & Europe and even then, I dont think people would want to play them on a tiny little hand held.


If you like those turn-based strategy games, you can add "Lord of the Rings: Tactics", "Popolo Crois", "Yu-Gi-Oh", "Metal Gear Acid" and "Metal Gear Acid 2" to your list. The "Metal Gear Acid"s are actually turn-based card games. You might also like "Star Trek: Tactical Assault". You can also import "Gundam Battle Tactics",
which I hear is mostly in English, so it might be playable even if it is a Japanese release. Looking into the future, you can also add "Castlevania: Dracula X Chronicles/Symphony of the Night" (yes, both games are packed together) to your PSP list.

In terms of PSP RPG's, you're missing quite a few there. "Dungeon Siege", "Tales of Eternia",
"Final Fantasy", "Final Fantasy II", "Legend of Heroes", "Legend of Heroes II" , "Legend of Heroes III", "Riviera", "Elder Scrolls", "Kingdom of Paradise". There's also "Untold Legends" and "Untold Legends 2".

If you like Zelda, you can also add "Gurumin".

If you like GBA games, a modified PSP will run all the GBA games you want, as well as PS1 games
("Final Fantasy VII", "Diablo", etc.), Genesis, MAME, NeoGeoCD, Sega Master, SNES, NES, GB/GBC.

I disagree that the screen is too small to play an FPS. There are a lot of people out there who play FPS
(Doom, Doom2, Hexen, Duke Nukum, Quake) on smaller screens (Palm and PocketPC PDA's) with no
problem. I also disagree that portables are not good for certain genres. People say this because they associate portable with stop-go-stop short bursts of gaming, which, on the PSP, is fine because the PSP has a sleep feature. You can pause any game and put the PSP to sleep mode (the default when you toggle the ON/OFF switch; you have to hold it for 5 seconds if you actually want to turn the system off all the way). When you turn it on again, you're back exactly where you left off.

 



They problem is the games you listed as replacements aren't GOOD games. It doesn't really matter what genres you prefer, if you want quality in your games you have more available on the DS than on the PSP. I'm not saying there is nothing good on the PSP, but there is MUCH more available to any type of gamer on the DS. Also, the best handheld first person shooter without a doubt is Metroid Prime Hunters. It's handled much better than anything on the PSP. Oh and before I'm bitched at by Sony fanboys I do in fact own a PSP.

Not to mention there is some huge money gouging on the PSP.  To sell final fantasy 1 and 2 seperately, even with somewhat improved graphics when you can get it for less than half the price as a GBA game is ridiculous.  Also the amount of PSP RPGs to DS RPGs doesn't even compare.  The only thing the PSP has MORE of is shooters... which aren't even as good as the DS's 1.  I bought my PSP for portable GTA, but that's all that I have ever been compeled to get for it other than Mega Man and Power Stone.   The best fighter is on the DS too, though it is an import game.  Jump! Ultimate Stars blows tekken away.  It's an amazing online brawler. 



Obviously, I haven't played all of them, but those are all good PSP games according to Amazon reviewers. The only questionable ones, I think, were "Star Trek" and "Untold Legends 1", both of which got three stars on Amazon. I've actually played "Untold Legends 1", and it's really not that bad, especially considering it was a launch title.  I'd probably give it 3-1/2 stars (7 out of 10) myself. Rent a few of them and see for yourself. Or, if there's a particular game listed there that you don't like, let me know why you didn't like it. I want to go check it out and see how bad it is so that I'll know whether or not we're on the same page. If all you've tried are "Grand Theft Auto"s, "Megaman" and "Powestone", you really haven't given the 
system a chance. I agree that "Metroid Prime Hunters" for the DS is a good game, but I actually prefer the old sidescrolling Metroid games more.  Regarding RPG's and the DS, there probably are more of them, but I can't agree with you that they are all any good.  The island survival one (I forgot the name) was terrible, and now they're going to bring out a sequel.  "Rocket Slime" did not live up to its hype.  That "Mana" one was not good, but that might be because whenever I see a "Mana" title, I want it to be up to par with the original "Secret of Mana" for the SNES.  I did like "Final Fantasy III".

Yes, the whole re-make trend is money gouging. There's plenty of that to go around no matter which company you look at. That's why God created the category known as emulators...so that you can play all the games you originally owned (like "Secret of Mana" for the SNES) without having to pay twice.

 



naznatips said:

They problem is the games you listed as replacements aren't GOOD games. It doesn't really matter what genres you prefer, if you want quality in your games you have more available on the DS than on the PSP. I'm not saying there is nothing good on the PSP, but there is MUCH more available to any type of gamer on the DS. Also, the best handheld first person shooter without a doubt is Metroid Prime Hunters. It's handled much better than anything on the PSP. Oh and before I'm bitched at by Sony fanboys I do in fact own a PSP.

Not to mention there is some huge money gouging on the PSP. To sell final fantasy 1 and 2 seperately, even with somewhat improved graphics when you can get it for less than half the price as a GBA game is ridiculous. Also the amount of PSP RPGs to DS RPGs doesn't even compare. The only thing the PSP has MORE of is shooters... which aren't even as good as the DS's 1. I bought my PSP for portable GTA, but that's all that I have ever been compeled to get for it other than Mega Man and Power Stone. The best fighter is on the DS too, though it is an import game. Jump! Ultimate Stars blows tekken away. It's an amazing online brawler.


@ naznatips

What are you smoking?  Yeah, you may have a PSP, but obviously haven't played Syphon Filter, SOCOM or Portable Ops.

Oh and Jump! Ultimate Stars isn't a traditional beat-em-up (fighter), it's a fighter scroller and IMHO Powerstone is miles better!

You reckon the DS has a better range of games than the PSP.  I beg to differ.  The only area where the PSP is lacking a bit is in the RPG area (this is the major area for the DS seeing as most of the supposed big releases this year are RPGs), but this will be addressed once Jeanne d'Arc and Crisis Core come out amongst others.

Where are the DS's great racers?  Mario Kart, is that it?  What about the brilliant Burnout Legends on the DS, wow that one's good.  Aye right.  The PSP on the other hand has Ridge Racer 1 & 2, Burnout Legends & Dominator, Wipeout, Outrun 2006, Test Drive Unlimited, TOCA 2 & 3 just for starters.

What platformers? Yoshi's Island, Super Mario, Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow....well the PSP has the brilliant Daxter, Rachet & Clank, Megaman Powered Up and Maverick Hunter X, Locoroco, Ultimate Ghosts & Goblins and Castlevania Dracula X Chronicles is due in a few months.

What Action/Adventure? The PSP has GTA Vice City and Liberty City, Syphon Filter, Portable Ops, Lego Star Wars 2 (yes a good rendition of the game) and Tomb Raider to name a few with Silent Hill and a new Syphon Filter and of course God of War coming later this year.

What decent Sports games can you get on the DS? If any?

You will find that the PSP although lacking in the RPG department fulfills genre ranges better over the course.  And there are games on the PSP that you just could not do on the DS and this is where the DS cannot fulfil entire ranges.

Don't get me wrong the DS is a great machine and does what it says on the box. Hence the 40m+ sales, but the urban myth that it have a better range of games for each genre over the course is just plain wrong. 



Prediction (June 12th 2017)

Permanent pricedrop for both PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro in October.

PS4 Slim $249 (October 2017)

PS4 Pro $349 (October 2017)

naznatips said:
JSF said:
marc said:
dgm6780 said:
you attacked GTA has teenage but I have yet to see one adult themed DS game brought up. did hear about one adult themed DS game on the boards recently tho. called doki doki something, some game about molesting little boys/girls ?!

hmm so what do those 18-27 year old males like anyways...



sports
DS = Mario Hoops 3 v 3
PSP = NBA Street : Showdown

racing
ds=mario kart
psp = gran turismo

shooter
ds= ???
psp = SOCOM, Medal of Honor : Heros, Syphon Filter

fighting
ds=Naruto Ninja Council 3
psp = Tekken 5, Mortal Kombat Deception: Unchained, Steet Fighter Alpha 3

anyone arguing that DS is winning the adult demographic is nutty. they sell to the youngsters , but sell quite well. Not saying which is "better" just saying if you are above the age 17 the PSP is better ;)


Well here is the thing. For a portable, certain genre simply will not work well no matter what you try to do. For example, I would never play a FPS on a portable. The screen is too small and I just wouldnt enjoy it since FPS generally require precision which a portable just cant offer. For racing games, Mario Kart, as childish as look it is a lot more fun to play than Gran Turismo overall. Fighting games in general suck unless you play against someone so those are not really a big deal. What I really want are RPG's and strategy games.

So I went to gamespot and looked at the list for the PSP.

Here is what I might get if I had a PSP:

Valkyrie Profile: Lenneth
Ys: The Ark of Napishtim
Final Fantasy Tactics: The War of the Lions <- not out yet
Dungeons & Dragons Tactics <- not out yet
Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops
Mega Man Powered Up <- ...maybe... it looks horrible but i would give it a shot
Armored Core: Formula Front
Maybe a Star Wars adventure game

As you can see, for someone who enjoys strategy & RPG there just isnt anything there and those that are listed are basically despiration if I had a PSP save for FF, D&D, & Armored Core.

Here is what I might get if I had a DS:

Final Fantasy III
Lunar: Dragon Song
Maybe a Pokemon game just to see what the hell its all about
Age of Empires: The Age of Kings
Advance Wars: Dual Strike
Final Fantasy Tactics A2: Fuuketsu no Grimoire <- not out yet
Ys Strategy <- maybe... not out yet
SimCity DS <- not out yet
Front Mission 1st <- not out yet
Disciples II DS <- maybe... not out yet
The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass <- not out yet
Maybe a Star Wars adventure game
Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin
Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow
Metroid Prime: Hunters
Mega Man ZX

As you can see, for a person like me (older gamers) the DS list is much larger and we havent even spoken of GBA games some available for pennies with some great games in there. Just from the GB Advanced, I would want some of the older titles like:

Castlevania: Circle of the Moon
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
Tactics Ogre: The Knight of Lodis
Final Fantasy Tactics
Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones
Phantasy Star Collection
Final Fantasy V Advance
Metroid: Zero Mission
Shining Force: Resurrection of the Dark Dragon

etc etc This is probably why the DS is so strong. It has a lot of games across genres that appeal to wider range of gamers. FPS are not really that big outside of the US & Europe and even then, I dont think people would want to play them on a tiny little hand held.


If you like those turn-based strategy games, you can add "Lord of the Rings: Tactics", "Popolo Crois", "Yu-Gi-Oh", "Metal Gear Acid" and "Metal Gear Acid 2" to your list. The "Metal Gear Acid"s are actually turn-based card games. You might also like "Star Trek: Tactical Assault". You can also import "Gundam Battle Tactics",
which I hear is mostly in English, so it might be playable even if it is a Japanese release. Looking into the future, you can also add "Castlevania: Dracula X Chronicles/Symphony of the Night" (yes, both games are packed together) to your PSP list.

In terms of PSP RPG's, you're missing quite a few there. "Dungeon Siege", "Tales of Eternia",
"Final Fantasy", "Final Fantasy II", "Legend of Heroes", "Legend of Heroes II" , "Legend of Heroes III", "Riviera", "Elder Scrolls", "Kingdom of Paradise". There's also "Untold Legends" and "Untold Legends 2".

If you like Zelda, you can also add "Gurumin".

If you like GBA games, a modified PSP will run all the GBA games you want, as well as PS1 games
("Final Fantasy VII", "Diablo", etc.), Genesis, MAME, NeoGeoCD, Sega Master, SNES, NES, GB/GBC.

I disagree that the screen is too small to play an FPS. There are a lot of people out there who play FPS
(Doom, Doom2, Hexen, Duke Nukum, Quake) on smaller screens (Palm and PocketPC PDA's) with no
problem. I also disagree that portables are not good for certain genres. People say this because they associate portable with stop-go-stop short bursts of gaming, which, on the PSP, is fine because the PSP has a sleep feature. You can pause any game and put the PSP to sleep mode (the default when you toggle the ON/OFF switch; you have to hold it for 5 seconds if you actually want to turn the system off all the way). When you turn it on again, you're back exactly where you left off.

 



They problem is the games you listed as replacements aren't GOOD games. It doesn't really matter what genres you prefer, if you want quality in your games you have more available on the DS than on the PSP. I'm not saying there is nothing good on the PSP, but there is MUCH more available to any type of gamer on the DS. Also, the best handheld first person shooter without a doubt is Metroid Prime Hunters. It's handled much better than anything on the PSP. Oh and before I'm bitched at by Sony fanboys I do in fact own a PSP.

Not to mention there is some huge money gouging on the PSP.  To sell final fantasy 1 and 2 seperately, even with somewhat improved graphics when you can get it for less than half the price as a GBA game is ridiculous.  Also the amount of PSP RPGs to DS RPGs doesn't even compare.  The only thing the PSP has MORE of is shooters... which aren't even as good as the DS's 1.  I bought my PSP for portable GTA, but that's all that I have ever been compeled to get for it other than Mega Man and Power Stone.   The best fighter is on the DS too, though it is an import game.  Jump! Ultimate Stars blows tekken away.  It's an amazing online brawler. 


"much more available to any type of gamer" That's odd, I can't find a single game on the DS I like.