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o_O.Q said:
loy310 said:

Gun rights have become a life or death issue, it’s so outta control that nut jobs are taking their 2nd right and using it against defenseless children. Guns don’t make you free, nor do they protect your freedom they do one thing and one thing only and that’s obliterate life, at the moment mostly children life it seems.

"Guns don’t make you free, nor do they protect your freedom"

the war for independence?

the civil war?

The south and king going bankrupt won those wars



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Nem said:
RolStoppable said:

No, guns aren't the problem. There are guns in all of Europe, and Europe doesn't have the problems of the USA.

I'm sorry? Getting a gun is extremely difficult in europe. Do you think we donlt have crazy people aswell? The difference is, we don't give weapons out like candy. It's extremely difficult to get a fire arm. You need training, test and a license and even so it's very difficult to obtain. It is also subjects to registration, regular checks and limited use.

This isn't anything like the US. We don't give out guns, that is why we don't have shootings every month.

 

RolStoppable said:
Guns are not the problem. People who protect the right of mentally unqualified people to own guns are the problem.


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RolStoppable said:
Guns are not the problem. People who protect the right of mentally unqualified people to own guns are the problem.

There are multiple factors there.

American gun mentality. This is very different from other developed countries with more liberal gun rights. Like Swiss or Finland. And that might actually be the main problem. This isn't only about killing sprees but about gun accidents as well.

Another one is that it is far to easy for 'mentally unqualified people' as you put it to get a gun. There's no background check or something like that. It's pretty ridiciculous that you have to get a driving license but no real gunning license.

And there's a far to strong weapons lobby, which of course includes the NRA, with far to much influence. Why haven't bum stocks been banned already for example? Mainly because of a far to influencial lobby.



I’m all for stricter laws. But you cannot take away them. Should be a federal ID across all states and a waiting period plus a background check. But you don’t need to know what I have. I like carrying a gun it’s as simple as that.



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Nem said:
RolStoppable said:

No, guns aren't the problem. There are guns in all of Europe, and Europe doesn't have the problems of the USA.

I'm sorry? Getting a gun is extremely difficult in europe. Do you think we donlt have crazy people aswell? The difference is, we don't give weapons out like candy. It's extremely difficult to get a fire arm. You need training, test and a license and even so it's very difficult to obtain. It is also subjects to registration, regular checks and limited use.

This isn't anything like the US. We don't give out guns, that is why we don't have shootings every month.

No instead you have bombings.



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loy310 said:
o_O.Q said:

"Guns don’t make you free, nor do they protect your freedom"

the war for independence?

the civil war?

The south and king going bankrupt won those wars

well if you are going to deny history, then what's the point?



o_O.Q said:
Nem said:

Ryan... honestly... we have no gun rights in europe. Do you think we have no freedom? (aquisition is highly regulated)

Why do some americans think this way? That is utterly ridiculous. Are you planning a revolution and that's why you want guns? Why are you defending Anarchy?

It's so backwards that i don't even know what to say. How can people not see that? Civilians don't need guns. You are living in a developed country. You are safe. All the easy to get guns do is make it easy for people to kill each other everytime they get angry at something. It's not civilised. It's not the wild west anymore.

Do you really need to sacrifice a bunch of children to the slaughter every year just to keep your illusion that with your gun you can go take down the government? This is utter lunacy!

"Civilians don't need guns. You are living in a developed country. You are safe."

except for all those times in history when people needed guns to fight oppression

its infantile to assume that such a situation will never occur again

 

"Do you really need to sacrifice a bunch of children to the slaughter every year"

killing and death are a fact of reality and that will be the case whether guns are completely eradicated from society or not

 

"just to keep your illusion that with your gun you can go take down the government?"

this is how america as an independent country was formed to begin with... wtf are you talking about?

What the utter hell? You live in a democracy, albeit a flawed one. You think you with your gun are gonna take down the US highly trained and equipped military? Really?! And for this you will enable mass murders in a monthly basis? Who is being infantile here?

 

Death happens yes, murder rates can be reduced.

 

Dude, this isn't the middle ages. You are independant and have the worlds biggest military. Your weapon is your vote. A gun will just get you killed.



o_O.Q said:
loy310 said:

Gun rights have become a life or death issue, it’s so outta control that nut jobs are taking their 2nd right and using it against defenseless children. Guns don’t make you free, nor do they protect your freedom they do one thing and one thing only and that’s obliterate life, at the moment mostly children life it seems.

"Guns don’t make you free, nor do they protect your freedom"

the war for independence?

the civil war?

How did guns help to fight against the government didn't the south lose? And what freedom were they protecting?  The freedom to take the freedom away of other colored humans?






RolStoppable said:
Nem said:

I'm sorry? Getting a gun is extremely difficult in europe. Do you think we donlt have crazy people aswell? The difference is, we don't give weapons out like candy. It's extremely difficult to get a fire arm. You need training, test and a license and even so it's very difficult to obtain. It is also subjects to registration, regular checks and limited use.

This isn't anything like the US. We don't give out guns, that is why we don't have shootings every month.

 

RolStoppable said:
Guns are not the problem. People who protect the right of mentally unqualified people to own guns are the problem.

Anyone can have a moment of insanity given enough anger. This isn't the case of only a few people. It's everyone. Guns are not something for civilians to have.



Nem said:

I'm sorry? Getting a gun is extremely difficult in europe.

It's actually easy in parts of Europe. Gun law is national law after all. Belgium got a strict firearm law 12 years ago, Finland still is relatively lax as is Switzerland.

Even how the police is armed depends on every nation (or federal state in Germany). Most british officers don't have a fire arm at all as far as i know. And it works, at least until today.