Puppyroach said:
McDonaldsGuy said:
There are 2 major differences:
1. Once again, if you blame the NRA or all gun owners on a mass shooting then I can blame all drinkers on drunk driving kills. Not to mention almost the majority of gun violence is due to alcohol. Most crime in America has an alcoholic component. Want to save lives? Then get rid of alcohol. (And yes, I know prohibition is a mess which is why I think instead of prohibition we need tougher anti-drunk laws).
2. "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
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1. Where did I blame the NRA or all gun owners for mass shootings? I blame the availability of guns and ease of access for people to get guns. Would the number of gunrelated alcoholinduced homicides go down if there were less guns available? Ofcourse, which is evident in every country that has heavier weapon laws than the US. It always fascinates me how so many people who seem so suspicious of the government that having alot of weaponry somehow would make them feel safer, at the same time live in one of the unsafest country within the OECD. It doesn´t seem to help very much.
2. Exactly, and the text right there opens up for massive regulation of guns. The 2nd amendment doesn´t guarantee availability to all types of weaponry, the government could, if they wished, regulate so that you are only allowed to own up to two hunting rifles for example. They would still follow the 2nd amendment in that case since they don´t infringe on your right to bear arms, just the amount and types of arms. This has also been validated by the supreme court.
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1. Yeah you're right, mass murders NEVER happen in Western Europe. Aside from Manchester, Paris, Nice, London, the German airplane dude, Norway, etc. etc.
Oh look - rape in London has increased 20% in just one year: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rape-london-reports-met-police-rise-crime-sexual-assault-a8225821.html
In the UK, 2 10 year olds raped and beat a 2 year old (named James Burglar) for HOURS if not DAYS. They were both released under new names. Guess what? One of the murderers has been convicted of having child pornography. His sentence? 40 months. He only got 40 months!
Yeah, the UK is "safe" because they don't charge dangerous people with actual crimes. It's what Broward County does to lower it's crime rate - the crime rate is low when you don't charge people with crimes.
2. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. Meaning they can't limit us to how much we own - the Supreme Court already ruled on stuff like this in 2008.