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Forums - Sales Discussion - January 2018 NPD Thread! Switch #1

Farsala said:
kopstudent89 said:
Am I the only one impressed with this random 3DS renaissance?

It's doing pretty typical, which I suppose is still pretty good.

It had its biggest January since 2013, how is that "pretty typical"?



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thelalaby said:
Farsala said:

It's doing pretty typical, which I suppose is still pretty good.

It had its biggest January since 2013, how is that "pretty typical"?

5 weeks vs 4 weeks?

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8732772

To break it down further

2012 - 40k/w
2013 - 29k/w
2014 - 24.25k/w
2015 - 18.5k/w
2016 - 17.5k/w
2017 - no numbers, but less than in 2018
2018- between 24k and 29k a week

I think 2017 was up on 2016 due to pokemon go. Thus I think other than the peak year the sales are pretty typical and therefore pretty good.



Farsala said:
thelalaby said:

It had its biggest January since 2013, how is that "pretty typical"?

5 weeks vs 4 weeks?

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8732772

To break it down further

2012 - 40k/w
2013 - 29k/w
2014 - 24.25k/w
2015 - 18.5k/w
2016 - 17.5k/w
2017 - no numbers, but less than in 2018
2018- between 24k and 29k a week

I think 2017 was up on 2016 due to pokemon go. Thus I think other than the peak year the sales are pretty typical and therefore pretty good.

Best december since 2011 and best january since 2013 for a 7 year old system that, and let's be honest, hasn't aged well graphically, and still has low resolution. It's quite insane to me that after the Pokemon Go hype has died it's still able to put up these numbers. Yeah not a significant jump but many expected it to die out in 2015 and it's still chugging decent amount of sales.



Ryng_Tolu said:
globalisateur said:
PS4 almost won by units and even won by revenue ! And Ryng thought Switch would win by 80 or 100k ! That and Bayonneta flopping in japan must be hard for him.

:P


[in case is not clear, i am Cell in this gif and you are Crillin]

 

Well, now that i officially won the bet, i just have to choise the avatar for you.

Maybe i wasn't gonna be that bad, but after this comment i'll probabily be brutal as usual.

OK, you won the bet. Tell me when you made you choice !



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
I feel like this just confirms what I have been thinking. When PS4 won 2017 in total sales people were out champing it like that was hard for it to do ... even though it only won because of stock, pricing, and a two month headstart. When Switch has "regular" weeks people talk about how its gonna fall of a cliff...

The point is that the Switch looks pretty normal sales wise when it has these down weeks. January might not be the best example, we'll see in February. But most doom evidence is pretty premature. Im open to the idea Switch will fall off though.

This being an NPD thread... I'm going to assume you are only talking about NA.

Don't know why anyone would say or think NS sales will fall off a cliff though. Like there is nothing to indicate that it will.

Only platform we can confidently say that about for is XB1. Hell, this marks the first time since the console launched that its sales haven't fallen off a cliff shortly after the holiday season. 

And I don't know who these 'people' are..... but being that this is VGC I'm gonna assume this is one of those times when the opinion of one becomes the voice of all.



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SKMBlake said:

We can asume that the numbers are:

-Switch 350 000
-Xbox One 330 000
-PS4 320 000

I think PS4 is ahead of XB1.  (from reading the venturebeat.com article)

Why? because Xbox One X is 499$, but PS4 overall made more revenue than Xb1.

But its only by a small gap.

 

Aura7541 said:
RoboTin said:
A lot of you are saying Switch>xboxone>ps4, but I dont see anything that indicates that xbox one outsold ps4? Anyway gratz to all platforms! I am slightly surprised that Switch didnt outsell competitiors more and that xbox one wouldnt be way ahead of ps4 with 199$ for half a month and mostly cheaper whole month.

Also, the difference in price between the XB1X and Pro is bigger than the difference between the XB1S and PS4. The PS4 could have the lower average selling price (ASP) and since it beat the XB1 in revenue, it might have sold more units. I can't say anything definitively, so it largely depends on the ASP of both platforms.

This was my thinking.

*edit: Im only 10 pages into the thread though atm.

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Intrinsic said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
I feel like this just confirms what I have been thinking. When PS4 won 2017 in total sales people were out champing it like that was hard for it to do ... even though it only won because of stock, pricing, and a two month headstart. When Switch has "regular" weeks people talk about how its gonna fall of a cliff...

The point is that the Switch looks pretty normal sales wise when it has these down weeks. January might not be the best example, we'll see in February. But most doom evidence is pretty premature. Im open to the idea Switch will fall off though.

This being an NPD thread... I'm going to assume you are only talking about NA.

Don't know why anyone would say or think NS sales will fall off a cliff though. Like there is nothing to indicate that it will.

Only platform we can confidently say that about for is XB1. Hell, this marks the first time since the console launched that its sales haven't fallen off a cliff shortly after the holiday season. 

And I don't know who these 'people' are..... but being that this is VGC I'm gonna assume this is one of those times when the opinion of one becomes the voice of all.

To be fair only person that really pushed that narrative is @quickrick, so nothing really strange just wishful thinking. :)



Nuvendil said:
Kerotan said:

In reality this issue arose from the fact people were claiming switch would win npd by big margins because of amazon data. People rightfully pointed out how it's Switch biased so that's not the case. Ironically your post was revisionist regsrding the root cause of this. 

There have always been people throwing guesses out.  No one made an issue of it until recently.  And no one ever used that to try and undermine the threads.  I'll have you know Amazon has incorrectly said PS4 would win 5 times since 2013 but no one ever lost their crap and said Amazon was unreliable and shouldn't be trusted because of Sony bias. Because Amazon isn't used for that.  If people make ill advised guesses, that's fine.  The revisionism comes in with people implying that Amazon was once a reliable predictor of sales and gaps but now isn't because of dat dastardly Switch bias.

Also, the "bias" is simple to understand.  Switch has 2 SKUs.  So all sales AND all resales are tied to two ranks on Amazon.  PS4 has several bundles, some available from Amazon and others from resellers.  Therefore, the sales are dispersed over more rankings, thus lowering the positioning of each.  Xbox, same thing.  

Again with the revisionism. Some xbox fans have actually tried to undermine the thread in the past when it incorrectly suggested ps4 would win a month. Its only bothering you now because its being said about switch.

 

So when people start assuming switch wins big because they have 2 high sku we are entitled to point out amazon doesnt accurately represent the margin of victory and can be biased towards a certain console .

 

Previously it was ps4, now its switch and thats just facts.



tbone51 said:
quickrick said:

nothing to spin selling 5k-10k more doesn't mean anything, the important thing is actual numbers.

Jokes aside im startin to feel bad for you 

Tbh I am too, it feels like 3-4 nintendo guys picking on one guy....  

He was wrong on Switch sales dropping in early 2018, but you guys are picking on him, trying to get him to admit it, when he doesnt want to.

 

nemo37 said:
This is a bit off topic but I was curious was the bet between Quickrick and CGI was, so I looked it up. I am not sure if I am the only one, but I do feel uneasy about how some people will treat him if he loses (based on the way some people are treating him now) and it would set a bad precedence on this site. I frequently and vehemently disagree with him and his reasoning on a multitude of points, but one of the things I love about this site compared to some of the other ones on the internet is that we can all be civil while communicating our points of view. It would be quite disheartening if Quickrick or anyone else for that matter felt like they were under attack for expressing their points of view (assuming of course that they do not attack other users), however much other users may agree or disagree with their views or reasoning. I usually trust the judgement of mods on this site, and this is certainly not a hit against CGI, but I feel this particular bet might end up going too far.

^ this, its going to far what these guys are doing.
Its mean spirited. While hes never been that way towards them.

Also this isnt the first thread, these same people have been picking on him.
its been going on for a month or so, it feels like, but in this thread, it crossed a line for me.

I actually did feel bad for Quickrick, and when I read what Tbone1 said, I know it was time to write so.
"Jokes aside im startin to feel bad for you"  = guilt



JRPGfan said:
tbone51 said:

Jokes aside im startin to feel bad for you 

Tbh I am too, it feels like 3-4 nintendo guys picking on one guy....  

He was wrong on Switch sales dropping in early 2018, but you guys are picking on him, trying to get him to admit it, when he doesnt want to.

 

nemo37 said:
This is a bit off topic but I was curious was the bet between Quickrick and CGI was, so I looked it up. I am not sure if I am the only one, but I do feel uneasy about how some people will treat him if he loses (based on the way some people are treating him now) and it would set a bad precedence on this site. I frequently and vehemently disagree with him and his reasoning on a multitude of points, but one of the things I love about this site compared to some of the other ones on the internet is that we can all be civil while communicating our points of view. It would be quite disheartening if Quickrick or anyone else for that matter felt like they were under attack for expressing their points of view (assuming of course that they do not attack other users), however much other users may agree or disagree with their views or reasoning. I usually trust the judgement of mods on this site, and this is certainly not a hit against CGI, but I feel this particular bet might end up going too far.

^ this, its going to far what these guys are doing.
Its mean spirited. While hes never been that way towards them.

Also this isnt the first thread, these same people have been picking on him.
its been going on for a month or so, it feels like, but in this thread, it crossed a line for me.

I actually did feel bad for Quickrick, and when I read what Tbone1 said, I know it was time to write so.
"Jokes aside im startin to feel bad for you"  = guilt

Its not only ninty fans though, its almost every1. I dont think i seen this before at least to this scale. But quickrick is digging himself in more and more.