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fatslob-:O said:

I literally don't know but biologists have created a monster too good for their own handling ... 

Nearly everything about the biological classification system is arbitrary, complex and worst of all may not even be self consistent with the idea of backwards evolution or convergent evolution ... 

Even the classification of "species" has it's boundaries blurred since two separate species can potentially interbreed so if there is no hard criteria in general for biological classification then these "deciding factors" are only soft criteria for these groupings so I do not see why human races are precluded from this since they can be grouped according to evolutionary history ... 

Science doesn't play politics, it plays with data and tons of revisionism comes with it too ... 

The world is not black and white and the taxonomic system is by no means perfect. All of its boundaries are not clearly cut, but it still serves a purpose and is meaningful. As for races the different populations of human species are just too similar to each other, they are nowhere near meeting the minimum criteria for mammal species for having races.

Its just so and isn´t up to you, its up to the scientific community, who (not all but many) by the way started studying human genetics with the assumption that there would be races and all kinds of different attributes like intelligence being higher with white people when compared to black people. That was not the case and science moved on as it should. Science is based on the most recent information and tries to adapt to better explain the world around us.

Evolution is often very slow and it takes time for races to form and from them to form new species. This also doesn´t only go in one way and isolated populations may start to become less isolated and mix more with other populations making them more similar again.

One of the classifications of a species is that different species cannot produce offspring that are able to reproduce. Two closely related species can sometimes still reproduce, but the offspring cannot reproduce (for example mule).

The concept of human race has much more to do with history and politics than biology. Its really quite interesting.



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PSintend0 said:
fatslob-:O said:

I literally don't know but biologists have created a monster too good for their own handling ... 

Nearly everything about the biological classification system is arbitrary, complex and worst of all may not even be self consistent with the idea of backwards evolution or convergent evolution ... 

Even the classification of "species" has it's boundaries blurred since two separate species can potentially interbreed so if there is no hard criteria in general for biological classification then these "deciding factors" are only soft criteria for these groupings so I do not see why human races are precluded from this since they can be grouped according to evolutionary history ... 

Science doesn't play politics, it plays with data and tons of revisionism comes with it too ... 

The world is not black and white and the taxonomic system is by no means perfect. All of its boundaries are not clearly cut, but it still serves a purpose and is meaningful. As for races the different populations of human species are just too similar to each other, they are nowhere near meeting the minimum criteria for mammal species for having races.

Its just so and isn´t up to you, its up to the scientific community, who (not all but many) by the way started studying human genetics with the assumption that there would be races and all kinds of different attributes like intelligence being higher with white people when compared to black people. That was not the case and science moved on as it should. Science is based on the most recent information and tries to adapt to better explain the world around us.

Evolution is often very slow and it takes time for races to form and from them to form new species. This also doesn´t only go in one way and isolated populations may start to become less isolated and mix more with other populations making them more similar again.

One of the classifications of a species is that different species cannot produce offspring that are able to reproduce. Two closely related species can sometimes still reproduce, but the offspring cannot reproduce (for example mule).

The concept of human race has much more to do with history and politics than biology. Its really quite interesting.

To add to that, while there are some exceptions to common breeding rules, there are other principles which dictate whether something is defined as a unique species. These principles include things like the genetic isolation of populations, and the biological significance of this isolation. While the systems aren't perfect, they are not fixed. They evolve to meet new scientific capabilities and when information is present which adequately demonstrates speciation (or non-speciation), taxonomists should respond to that information.

They largely have with humans, recognizing that the biological significance of the genetic variation within humanity is not sufficient to defend the presence of distinct races. To argue that such a rank should be maintained is to accept that "race" is a social division moreso than a biological one, because the only principle which places the categorization of perceived race above any other potential sub-categorization is the social acceptance of the term, not any objective genetic fact.



About 20 school shootings in America this year, but apparently having the choice over which box to check on an application form is crossing the line. Social Conservatives need to stop playing Identity Politics and start coming up with solutions to problems that actually exist.



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SuaveSocialist said:
About 20 school shootings in America this year, but apparently having the choice over which box to check on an application form is crossing the line. Social Conservatives need to stop playing Identity Politics and start coming up with solutions to problems that actually exist.

Double check the 20 school shootings figure.  It is a bit misleading.  Although I agree that this is not a real problem.  



SuaveSocialist said:
About 20 school shootings in America this year, but apparently having the choice over which box to check on an application form is crossing the line. Social Conservatives need to stop playing Identity Politics and start coming up with solutions to problems that actually exist.

20 school shootings? That's a flat out lie. Conservatives don't care about identity politics because they don't pander to groups based on race, sex or sexuality like the left does in the states does.

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Aeolus451 said:
SuaveSocialist said:
About 20 school shootings in America this year, but apparently having the choice over which box to check on an application form is crossing the line. Social Conservatives need to stop playing Identity Politics and start coming up with solutions to problems that actually exist.

20 school shootings? That's a flat out lie. Conservatives don't care about identity politics because they don't pander to groups based on race, sex or sexuality like the left does in the states does.

Literally the entire point of a party system is to pander to identity politics. It's the entire foundation of  the system ... which do you identify with. Besides, just go on any Fox news broadcast and you'll hear at least : 3 digs at CNN's ratings, 6 roundabout jokes about feminism, and 2 different ways of making white people feel like victims. If that isn't subtle identity politics than I don't know what is.

John2290 said:

I hear this 20 number a lot. Same as in early 2017 and 2016, lots of misinformation going about after every big school shooting. Anyway, have you thought that raising your kids NOT to shoot up schools and get to the route of the problem that way might be a better idea than using it as a flag to shame others talking about "lesser issues".

What? This doesn't even make sense. Everyone knows not to shoot up schools. You don't have to be specifically raised to believe so. Is this just sarcasm to make a point?



SuaveSocialist said:
About 20 school shootings in America this year, but apparently having the choice over which box to check on an application form is crossing the line. Social Conservatives need to stop playing Identity Politics and start coming up with solutions to problems that actually exist.

The school shooting statistic is a bunch of bs because of how school shootings are classified. For example, one of those "school shootings" turned out to be some guy who committed suicide in his car that was parked near a school that had been closed for 7 months at the time. Basically, any incident involving a gun going off within the vicinity of what the government considers a school zone is considered a school shooting. It doesn't matter if the shooting took place in the school. It doesn't matter if school is in session. In the case of the suicide guy, it doesn't even matter if the school is currently operational or not. 

 

As far as colleges go and this SJW crap, I think it is morally wrong for an institution of education to deny objective truth and allow students to lie to themselves. However, I take a free market stance on this. If they're privately run, they can do as they please. However, if they receive any kind of government handout, then they should have to abide by some kind off standard. Personally, I don't think they should receive any handout and should have to compete. 



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John2290 said:

I'm not getting into this debate, don't want the hassle or the headache but you are the only country that has this recurring problem at this scale and it ain't the guns man, guns are just a tool, sort the minds that get to the point of pulling that trigger or figure out the factors that cause them to do it. 

Then don't comment in the thread. The whole "guns are just a tool" thing is so stupid. It's called a school shooting for a reason, it has to be done with a gun. And other forms of weaponry are nowhere near as efficient as guns. So how are guns not part of the problem? 

Saying that we should just teach people not to commit mass shootings doesn't even make sense. Because if we didn't teach people, and the lack of teaching was a systemic issue, then mass shootings would be even more common then they already are. If people literally lacked the self awareness not to commit a mass shooting because they were never raised in an environment where it was brought up or where it had a negative connotation, then we would see mass shootings all the time because by that logic the problem is that american parents just don't teach their kids not to commit mass shootings. But those environments are non-existent in a public setting, these shooters didn't NOT know to commit mass shootings, they knew exactly what they were doing and knew it was wrong. 

The issue is more about mental health but even that feels more like a strawman to wiggle out of gun legislation. Nobody is saying that there isn't an issue with the mental health of school shooters and that guns just magically made them shoot up schools. What people ARE saying is that a part of the solution IS to stop the shootings by getting rid of easily accessible guns that should obviously be restricted. And I don't think you get the irony in saying that this is only an american issue, while then saying it has nothing to do with guns. Yeah .....