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Forums - Politics - Delaware students can now choose their own race (Yes, RACE!) under new regulations.

This is insane to me.
Gender, Ethnicity, Blood Type, Hair Color, etc. Just because you want them to be different and "live your truth" doesn't make it so.

Certain races have different medical issues (ie: skin cancer and high blood pressure). Only a male/female combination will result in the creation of a child. If a crime is committed, I need to be able to tell the police "It was an Asian male with black hair and he was wearing blue jeans". What he thinks he is is irrelevant. What the hell is going on!?!



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JWeinCom said:
Aeolus451 said:

She identifies as a race she is not. It's one thing if a person believes something like that but it's quite another when laws are made that make everyone else have to play along.

Except that this law doesn't do that... Since it explicitly states that they can reject the self identification.

I'll ask the same question that other people talking about how insane this is refuse to answer.

What would you do differently to enter data for the Delaware school computer systems?

That doesn't mean that they WILL reject it. Again, that's likely to stop pranksters and not people like Rachel.



Aeolus451 said:
JWeinCom said:

Except that this law doesn't do that... Since it explicitly states that they can reject the self identification.

I'll ask the same question that other people talking about how insane this is refuse to answer.

What would you do differently to enter data for the Delaware school computer systems?

That doesn't mean that they WILL reject it. Again, that's likely to stop pranksters and not people like Rachel.

So because some people might do something resulting in no functional change, we should make things more complicated for everyone? I'm not sure I follow the logic.



Locknuts said:

It was just a little jab at the people who laugh at Christians for not believing in evolution while simultaneously ignoring the obvious differences between people who evolved on different parts of the planet over the last 50,000 years.

Oh and lots of people seem to have this mindset. 

We should especially open a thread about this since medical science already discredited (it's a big fucking insult to pharmacists/physicians who worked behind and researched that drug or other fields to deny the physical existence of races altogether) the notion that "race is just a social construct" when it's very much based on a physical attribute that does have real world uses but I can't go any further with my ban hammer senses tingling ... 

People should also drop Lewontin's fallacy that just because that there's more variance between people rather than race doesn't mean we can't make a classification ... (may as well burn the entire biology curriculum too since what biologists have been learning for decades is apparently wrong /s)



The difference in genes between different people and what are perceived as different "races" don´t really match and that makes the whole race thing quite silly...and frustrating :(



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o_O.Q said:
Flilix said:

 

"As long as there's at least one flying creature that isn't a bird, and as long as there's at least one bird that can't fly; flying is not a charasteristic of birds."

lol ok

My bad, I wanted to write: "Flying is not a charasteristic that defines birds".

there've been people born with 8 limbs... would you as a result say that being bipedal is, therefore, not a characteristic of human beings?

It is, since that's an abnormality, it's not heritable (I think? If it is heritable, and if a whole dynasty of eight-limbed people arises, then scientists will probably adjust their definition of a 'human'.)

 

"I don't know how you could possibly have concluded that out of what I wrote."

you said that the characteristics we use to categorise are artificial, the labels may be, but obviously not the characteristics themselves, or was that what you were saying? if so i apologise

I was talking about the selection of characteristics that are being used to divide groups of animals, not the characteristics themselves.

 

"Platypus don't give birth to living youngs, yet they're mammals. Do you start to notice how complex and random these divisions are sometimes?"

i do but you don't, is your argument not that the divisions do not exist at all?

Obviously they exist, but people created them. Scientists could just as well have considered that the platypus is a bird since it lays eggs, and they could just have adapted the definition of a 'bird' a bit. But they decided that it makes more sense to consider it a mammal, so they adjusted the definition of 'mammal'. So now 'mammal' doesn't necessarily mean anymore that the species can't lay eggs.

 

"The idea of 'cannibalism' is just as artificial as 'species'."

so there's no difference between killing and eating a cow versus a human?

If you're killing a cow, you're killing a cow. And if you're killing a human, you're kiling a human. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

 

"However, there's no way to strictly determine which reason is better than others."

yeah i can tell you've got the whole "everything is subjective nothing is objective" thin;g going on

but regardless, if there are no inherent differences between animals why can't elephants swim in fish schools?

I never said there are no inherent differences between animals. Actually, every single individual is unique. Some differ more than others. But you can never draw a clear line to divide the animal kingdom into groups.

 

"scientists categorise and label phenomenon THAT ALREADY EXIST when it comes to biology

Nope."

really now, so what have scientists created as an example?

Almost all biological notions, going from 'life' to 'bird' to 'great tit', are created and defined by people/scientists.



"Almost all biological notions, going from 'life' to 'bird' to 'great tit', are created and defined by people/scientists."

There are different ways to define things. Genetic makeup defines species, races etc. in biology and its not just some random it lays eggs or it has 8 arms etc. stuff, its not just characteristic etc. its the DNA or RNA etc.

A whale is far from a fish and so is platypus from a bird. Its a bit like if someone takes a test compare three persons, two of whom are a mother and her son and the third one is not related, but for example looks a lot more like the child than his mother.



sundin13 said:
Aeolus451 said:

That doesn't mean that they WILL reject it. Again, that's likely to stop pranksters and not people like Rachel.

So because some people might do something resulting in no functional change, we should make things more complicated for everyone? I'm not sure I follow the logic.

Do some people have a problem with critical thinking or something? 🙀

What happens when you let people identify as whatever race they want then make it legitimately recognised in the legal sense and you give entitlements based on race like grants, scholarships, oppression points, social promotion. I bet east asians would love to be able to say they're black just for school.



Aeolus451 said:
sundin13 said:

So because some people might do something resulting in no functional change, we should make things more complicated for everyone? I'm not sure I follow the logic.

Do some people have a problem with critical thinking or something? 🙀

What happens when you let people identify as whatever race they want then make it legitimately recognised in the legal sense and you give entitlements based on race like grants, scholarships, oppression points, social promotion. I bet east asians would love to be able to say they're black just for school.

Well, seeing how this is an anti-discrimination law, doing any of those things would likely be illegal in the context of these school systems...

So, seems like that's irrelevant here?



Aeolus451 said:
JWeinCom said:

Except that this law doesn't do that... Since it explicitly states that they can reject the self identification.

I'll ask the same question that other people talking about how insane this is refuse to answer.

What would you do differently to enter data for the Delaware school computer systems?

That doesn't mean that they WILL reject it. Again, that's likely to stop pranksters and not people like Rachel.

Allow me to repeat.

What would you do differently to enter data for the Delaware school computer system?

If this is such an insane law, it should be trivially easy to come up with a better way to do it, yet after asking this question four times now, I've yet to get an answer...