The whole video was pretty good not just the Senator's speech.

That sounds like socialism! free (mental) health care? just to keep these shootings down? do you know how much that ll cost :P

Tbh I think free healthy care should be a right for every citizen everywhere.
Having all these crazy people run around without anyone giveing them the "care" they need hurts society.

But its like a culture thing.... in the US, alot of americans dont think health care should be given to all, and paid for by the state, and collected via tax's.
They also dont see any issue with guns being rampant and everywhere.

You're write, maybe not the best way to put it.  Doing that sort of thing is obviously wrong, and I wasn't getting at the idea we should actually do it. I was more so thinking of it as how people gain more perspective in a near-death experience, but what I said was a bit stupid. Don't listen to me, i'm a shit head. I am a bit emotional at the time though, and it does cloud my judgement. Maybe the people stopping gun laws from helping stop gun violence have some kind of perspective i'm lacking, i just don't know what kind of perspective that could. 

Fair enough. I don't know the details of this latest shooting, I always prefer to let the dust settle before immersing myself in the details. But my standard for new gun laws is: Would they have prevented past crimes and how would they have affected law-abiding gun owners?

Yes you dont care for your mentally ill people... because health care isnt free for everyone.
also you have guns, so when the crazys get violent, it ends really badly for everyone.

That doesn't explain the statistics though ... I'm willing to entertain the idea that some surveys probably survey almost entirely democrats, but when even NRA statistics lead to 75% of your members wanting more gun control ... yeah ....

You're right that those responses are somewhat common. I have to wonder if it's a vocal minority. Or even more likely, politicians pushing these responses. The problem with politicizing gun violence isn't the discussion around politics, the problem is it becomes an us vs. them debate of political parties and not something that should so obviously come down to one simple answer. People get stupidly tribal-like when name brands like Democrat or Republican are involved.

Another interesting thing that may be true or may be bullshit is that there was this TV special that kind of hinted at one possibility. Take it with a grain of salt because it's a comedy central special ... it's pretty meh too ... it's called "Jordan Klepper solves guns". In it, he spends a lot of the documentary adopting a mentality of us Democrats against those Republican gun owners, and he eventually comes to the conclusion that a lot of the problem resolves in the myth that this is a heated debate when it isn't. If a lot of top politicians perpetuate the idea that people are really mixed and divided on guns, then people will continue to believe so and some might even start adopting pro-gun ideas(by pro-gun i mean bullshit, not just owning a gun). This isn't conspiracy theory bullshit by the way, it's not like a systematic cover up, it's just that when a lot of the establishment is constantly arguing over something it makes the public believe the issue is contested ... and that way of thinking can become reality the more you start to believe it. Still, it does seem likely that a majority are in favor of gun control.

I still don't think anything you said really warrants making fun of an entire group of people. You might not be calling them dumb but it all fizzles down to one thing : making light of people. America is such an easy target. With every other country, when an issue or problem occurs no one resorts to jokes whilst simultaneously being taken seriously by so much of western society. The U.S. seems to be one of the only places where you can actually make a point by actively making fun of it's population, because apparently we have a perfect democracy and so we all must be stupid, even though this is a country where we can't even elect our own president based on a majority vote. And jesting is all good, but not feeling sorry for the families and people involved? A bit far in my opinion, but then again it's just my opinion.

You are completely correct that everything comes down to systems we can change. But I don't think a lot of people are aware of these problems. It will take some time to fix. Hopefully we get there. 

Something needs to be done about guns already. This is getting ridiculous. Only the US has this kind of violence.

Crime rate in geral has seen a decrease each year. However mass shootings like this are still a persistent problem.

our children have the RIGHT to be shot in our schools, and i'll be damned if i let some legislation take that away from them!!

Kinda like that? ^

I wouldn't argue otherwise. The declining homicide rate just seems to fly in the face of the notion that relatively easy access to guns in the U.S. is somehow at the heart of these things.