Final-Fan said:
McDonaldsGuy said:
" "if I negotiate about this topic now, Republicans will accuse me of sucking Russian dick. "
I have a question - did you miss the entire 2012 election? The entire 2012 election was the entire Democratic party sucking Russian dick.
Why should I believe you when 15 years ago you told me Iraq had WMDs? What's the difference between this Russian hacking crap and Iraq WMDs?
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O.K., I think I'm done with you. You spew talking points only distantly related to the subject of discussion, and when any challenge to your claims makes you slightly uncomfortable you just pivot to a different one and ignore it. You either can't or won't stay on topic and, despite your obsession with certain past falsehoods, show no consistent interest in discovering truth.
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First of all, if you don't remember Bernie stealing her data: http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/documents-show-sanders-staffers-breached-clinton-voter-data
How is it not relevant?
How is all this not relevant?
You keep saying "this is all from 2012!" but that's MY point. What did the governor of Massachusetts see that our COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF could not?
It's very relevant because you just lost the Presidential election. The one you guys couldn't be rigged remember? The one you said Trump had no chance of winning and it was "her turn."
I need a better explanation on Obama missing Russia.
So my contention is that "muh Russia" is partisan and here is the proof - the quotes of you guys from 2012
Many of which, are zingers BTW:
"Romney, who calls Russia our "No. 1 geopolitical foe," doesn't seem to realize it's the 21st century. #RomneyNotReady" - The Democrats -
"After all, you don't call Russia our No. 1 enemy -- not Al-Qaida, Russia -- unless you're still stuck in a Cold War mind warp." - Barack Obama at the 2012 DNC -
http://www.npr.org/2012/09/06/160713941/transcript-president-obamas-convention-speech "You (Romney) said Russia (was our no. 1 enemy), in the 1980s, they're now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because, you know, the Cold War's been over for 20 years. But Governor, when it comes to our foreign policy, you seem to want to import the foreign policies of the 1980s." - Barack Obama during 2012 Presidential debate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS2a44F5TgM) "Mitt Romney talks like he's seen Russia by watching Rocky IV." The DNC even made a poster mocking Romney about watching Rocky IV to get his foreign policy:
https://theintercept.com/wp-uploads/sites/1/2016/09/romneykerry.jpg - John Kerry at the 2012 DNC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgUyqLrgO7Q "Its someone dated to be looking backwards." - Then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Romney's views on Russia
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2014/03/04/hillary-clinton-mocked-romney-on-russia-then-goes-to-hitler-comparisons/ "Vice President Joe Biden assailed Mitt Romney as “fundamentally wrong” and “totally out of touch” on foreign policy in a campaign speech Thursday — contrasting that to a record of President Barack Obama’s tough but right choices. Drawing contrasts between President Barack Obama and comments Romney has made on the campaign trail in 2008 and this year, Biden attacked the former Massachusetts governor for being “one of a small group of Cold War holdovers,” for naming Russia as a major threat to the United States and at times referring to Soviets. I don’t know whether it’s a slip of the tongue or a mind-set … Everybody slips. I never do, but everyone does,” Biden said in a self-deprecating nod to his own gaffes." - Then VP Joe Biden
http://www.politico.com/story/2012/04/biden-assails-mocks-romney-on-foreign-policy-075653 "VLADIVOSTOK, Russia —
President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia sauntered into American presidential politics on Thursday, praising President Obama as “a very honest man” and chastising the Republican nominee, Mitt Romney, for describing Russia as “without question our No. 1 geopolitical foe.”[/quite] - The New York Times September 2012 archive.is/IsUS9
"After the election I have more flexibility." - Obama to Russia/Putin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE"Trade With Russia Is a Win-Win. By making Moscow a normal trading partner, Congress would create American jobs and advance human rights." - Secretary of State Hillary Clinton
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303836404577475061208876588