I dont really understand his logic here. You could make a better argument for switch games struggling to compete against so many other games on the console.

This is a great question but there were a lot of, people that thought buying a Wii alone was enough. Especially later on when the Wii Sports trend really took off. There was no need for Zelda for some people and if Wii Sports did not exist, Zelda would have potentially been that big seller.

I could use anecdotal evidence to back this claim up but I think you can understand how that may be true for people that bought Wii maybe a year or two in (since it was still selling out worldwide a two years into its lifetime, this was a real possibility). Especially when a new Zelda got announced, people may have said, "Wii Sports is enough for right now, I can get the new Zelda when it comes out"

Every game competes with every other game. It would be silly to think they are not in competition. But it is a great question.

This website stopped tracking its sales. This website is not exactly reliable.

Every game competes with every other game. I did not buy anything with my original Game Boy because Tetris was packed-in.  I did not buy any games with my Wii and I did not buy Zelda on Wii until I found it second hand for less than 20 dollars. You cannot separate it because it was a pack-in title. That is a tough sell.

More games does not make for a better first year. Nor does reception since it is, as far as we can all tell, subjective. Calling a game a mini game collection means absolutely nothing to this conversation. Wii had a wide variety of games. Just because I am too lazy to list them all does not mean they did not exist. I expected you to know what was out there for Wii. Strikers, Battalion Wars, Fire Emblem, Mario, Metroid, Zelda. Do I need to get into the third party games, really? The point is that there was a tremendous variety on Wii. Me not listing it all does not negate their existence.

I am obviously giving my opinion. You are giving yours. Wii's first year had more for the average gamer than  many would think. It also did not have the benefit of an indie community as it was in its infancy. However, all the indie titles combined do not equal what Wii Sports was to gaming. Name one developer that would not like to have a Wii Sports like success. Would Nintendo trade the Wii Sports success for Binding of Issac? Please. Again, I get that it was one game but it was the biggest game of the generation by far. Numbers, as I have stated over and over, do not tell the whole story. That is also a fact. Especially when you are using subjective opinions as a portion of your numbers. Again, we are just talking opinions. I am not telling people they are wrong, I came in saying that one person (Josh Thomas) was not as wrong as people like to think. That his opinion that Wii had a better first year is not crazy because Wii did have a killer first year. I am not telling other people that they are incorrect, just creating conversation on the other side. I happen to agree with Josh Thomas, but I repeatedly said it is a close one and that I am not trying to tell anyone they are wrong in their opinion. I mean, there are people out there that think XBOX 360 had the greatest launch in history. I do not begrudge them either. Everyone is entitled to their opinion especially when the opinion expressed is not insane (nor should people be recommending to unsub someone for an opinion that I feel can be argued) or contrived. I enjoy the conversation when it is healthy and positive such as this one. But do not think I am trying to sell my opinion as fact because I am not.

Did I not read a post in this topic that said Wii games were good for what they were... selling motion controls? Wii games were actually high quality and motion controls in most of those games was an option or afterthought. I have argued with youtube content creators that Wii had way more than, "soccer mom and grandmom mini game compilations" often. And I have also argued it on this site often. The Wii is still seen as bad for gaming by a good portion of the gaming community, even many Nintendo fans.

More influential than Super Mario Bros and Super Mario 64? Just how influential was Tetris?

That's alright, your initial comments to me came off as very confrontational. I was never trying to start an argument, I just saw the list you put up and decided to post a list of switch games as comparison and put my opinion up. I was never bashing the Wii, from the beginning I said it had a very strong year, but I felt that the switch had a better first year. 

You say every game competes with every other game, surely that puts Odyssey and botw at a disadvantage to there Wii counterparts, considering the switch has way more games on it at the moment than the Wii. 

You keep saying that success doesn't matter but continuously bring up the success of Wii sports. If I was a developer I would obviously prefer Wii sports, but as a gamer the binding of Isaac is a much better game. Even as big as Wii sports was for the Wii, it had little lasting appeal, beyond the Wii. Lasting appeal is a lot more important than quick fleating success. While 1 indie game doesn't match Wii sports all of them together are potentially more important. Also the switch has minecraft a game that has far surpassed the success of wii sports. I think nintendo would trade wii sports in for Minecraft.

I should have said, "one of" but the truth is that people do not really rank them with numbers. Most of the time, they are all just considered most influential. Pac Man, Tetris, Mario Bros., Mario 64, Ultima, DOOM, Space Invaders are all pretty much equally ranked at number 1. I am sure I missed a game or two that gets commonly mentioned (maybe GTA II?) but when I talk to people that know far more than I do, the games I just mentioned are the games that get brought up the most. If really pushed though, people I have spoken with will dwindle into one of two camps: Tetris or Pac Man. It is not anything more than anecdotal but I was really trying to sell my point and it is nice that you decided to ask.

I would think Tetris would be considered more influential than Mario Bros. or Mario 64 if they had to be ranked but people stay away from ranking the games like that. I even looked on google to find an actual ranking and sites like IGN refuse to rank their top influential games. They just say that the games they list are their top ten most influential titles but they do not assess a ranking to them. Not that it would matter, I was obviously making a statement of subjectivity and your call out was very warranted.