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Errorist76 on 28 January 2018
Ka-pi96 said:
Errorist76 said:

 

You are the one harassing in all those threads...constantly. I just try to understand the reasoning, why you do it. I mean, I think I know why you do it, it's just sad.

I'm harassing? No, I'm defending myself and the way I play games. Do I go into the official VR thread or ones like that? No, because I'm not interested in them and there's no reason for me to go into them. Do I respond to the threads that are literally just about insulting people like me and the way we play games? Too fucking right I do! I ain't one of those "turn the other cheek" people, if somebody's insulting me or the things I like then I am not just going to let that lie.

And you know what's actually sad? People so ignorant that they can't accept that others can have different opinions to them...

Opinions are totally fine...I just don't see how you can feel "attacked" by a thread like this (or the countless others), if you aren't hating on VR..

You're constantly trying to push YOUR opinion on others, even if you have never tried VR and admittedly never even WANT to try it. Your opinion on the matter is hardly valid, as far as I see it, because you're judging by prejudices instead of own experience. Why don't you just keep it for yourself then?!

Others in those threads have tried it, didn't like it....fine. Valid opinion. You come off as someone, who is just here to justify his opinion and wants to talk something down that he doesn't like.. because of personal preference and prejudice, instead of experience. You don't like it, others shouldn't like it too. I think that's sad.



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Medisti on 28 January 2018
DonFerrari said:
Medisti said:

How about us that diss VR and did try it? Because I played a few PSVR games for about an hour and they made me physically ill, so I hope you can understand why I don't like VR and never want to touch it again. PSVR: all the fun of the motion sickness.

If you have the VR instead of trying in a friend, try the VR videos of exploring (like scuba diving) to get used to the platform then some slow speed games... going straight for DC VR may cause you to fell sick.

At the moment I can play over 8h straight without issue, and I'm a person that feels nauseated on boats or fast corners if I aint driving the car.

habam said:

Well I was banned the past 2 days because arguing with people about vr is considered "flaming" here. Take not, nobody of the VR haters (that actually flamed alot worse", attacked me pesonal just because i talked about vr and so on) got banned or even moderated at all. But it is how it is, i accept the mods and if they dont want me here nor dont want positive vr talk here ill just go to other forums. At least I gave my best to enhance people gaming life by telling them about the future of gaming

Nope man, flaming is the argument or language you use. Not about the subject or the ownership of systems per the moderator.

You can report the other posters and can send their posts to axumblade to ask why they weren't moderated and you were.

If you all want to like VR, that's great. Have fun with it. But I see no reason to every do something again when it made me ill. This is like saying, "You got food poisoning from that place? It was just a one-time thing." Maybe it was, but the majority of people would never eat there again because their brains associate that place with the feeling of being sick.



Cobretti2 on 28 January 2018

WTF DID I JUST READ IN THIS THREAD LOL.

I didn't realise Jesus was back this time to save us from hating VR.





 

 

Errorist76 on 28 January 2018
Medisti said:
DonFerrari said:

If you have the VR instead of trying in a friend, try the VR videos of exploring (like scuba diving) to get used to the platform then some slow speed games... going straight for DC VR may cause you to fell sick.

At the moment I can play over 8h straight without issue, and I'm a person that feels nauseated on boats or fast corners if I aint driving the car.

Nope man, flaming is the argument or language you use. Not about the subject or the ownership of systems per the moderator.

You can report the other posters and can send their posts to axumblade to ask why they weren't moderated and you were.

If you all want to like VR, that's great. Have fun with it. But I see no reason to every do something again when it made me ill. This is like saying, "You got food poisoning from that place? It was just a one-time thing." Maybe it was, but the majority of people would never eat there again because their brains associate that place with the feeling of being sick.

 

But there is actually a lot of truth to it. Only few people really have a physical condition which makes them unable to enjoy VR. 


For the vast majority it's all about getting used to it in small steps. I was lucky, I could go all in right from the start, which isn't that common either, still...
There are many types of VR games and experiences and especially those with free movement option should be avoided, or at least using some of the several helper tools to counter motion sickness, if you're a beginner. 

You have to be careful not to overdo it, because if you do, you will experience what you likely have experienced..a long period of recovery and some type of aversion. Same as if you were drunk as fuck, you won't like alcohol for a while...but would you never drink alcohol again?!

If you get the chance to retry it, I'd start with stationary experiences or those with teleporting options and then move on from there. Stuff like Thumper should be fine too...or Bound, where the camera is stuck to one place. 

I know Oculus has a "comfort rating" in its shop...PSVR could definitely need something like this.

 

Oh, and another thing: Stuff like correct calibration on your eye distance can be incredibly important for your comfort level!



DonFerrari on 28 January 2018
Ka-pi96 said:
DonFerrari said:

Sorry Ka, you know that isn't true... console wars are mostly done on FOMO and justigying purchase. And how can say someone is criticizing because he doesn't have an insult?

If you'd have read any of the OP's posts you'd know it absolutely is true...

I have read, still what he does or doesn't isn't relevant since he didn't invented it or is the only one who uses it.

CladInShadows said:
DonFerrari said: 

1. I know you were talking about one specific, it still is valid for majority.

2. It is cool you say you are seeing more agression from pro and them using ad hominem against them. Also someone being banned doesn't mean their argument was wrong as there are a lot of rules that talk about speech but none that make it banworthy lying or spinning.

2. I'm not attacking anyone's character.  I'm just making an observation about the actions displayed right here on this forum.  I have no side in this little war.  And what exactly is their argument?  That VR is the only way to play games and if you don't agree you're either lying, a troll, or can't afford it so you're jealous?  That's not an argument.  That's idiocy.

Nope his argument is that VR is great and people hating it aren't right and show why he think that.  Calling others childish is an attack, and you trying to justify yours attack and point finger doesn't do you any favor

Medisti said:
DonFerrari said:

If you have the VR instead of trying in a friend, try the VR videos of exploring (like scuba diving) to get used to the platform then some slow speed games... going straight for DC VR may cause you to fell sick.

At the moment I can play over 8h straight without issue, and I'm a person that feels nauseated on boats or fast corners if I aint driving the car.

Nope man, flaming is the argument or language you use. Not about the subject or the ownership of systems per the moderator.

You can report the other posters and can send their posts to axumblade to ask why they weren't moderated and you were.

If you all want to like VR, that's great. Have fun with it. But I see no reason to every do something again when it made me ill. This is like saying, "You got food poisoning from that place? It was just a one-time thing." Maybe it was, but the majority of people would never eat there again because their brains associate that place with the feeling of being sick.

If you don't want to play it again that is your choice, but I'm explaining how you can do to test and get yourself used to it. But the way you put it seems like everything you tried worked out right since the first try.



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Errorist76 on 28 January 2018
Ka-pi96 said:
Errorist76 said:

Opinions are totally fine...I just don't see how you can feel "attacked" by a thread like this (or the countless others), if you aren't hating on VR..

You're constantly trying to push YOUR opinion on others, even if you have never tried VR and admittedly never even WANT to try it. Your opinion on the matter is hardly valid, as far as I see it, because you're judging by prejudices instead of own experience. Why don't you just keep it for yourself then?!

Others in those threads have tried it, didn't like it....fine. Valid opinion. You come off as someone, who is just here to justify his opinion and wants to talk something down that he doesn't like.. because of personal preference and prejudice, instead of experience. You don't like it, others shouldn't like it too. I think that's sad.

My opinion that people can like different things and they're not lying, trolling or wrong for liking something different? I'm pretty sure that's a fact actually.

I'm not the one saying things like "It definitly is a vastly inferior way to play most games" or "I want to be a mod so I can ban all fanboy trolls that dishing VR".

And when have I ever said others shouldn't like something just because I don't? If you like VR gaming then great, have fun VR gaming, but accept the fact that not everyone likes it and don't pretend that it's objectively better and anyone who disagrees is a troll.

I know habam was being a bit extreme on the matter, but even if you are none of those (even if you admittedly HAVE never tried it) you still can't deny that those people exist in spades.

I mean...my brother was one of them. I know they exist. 



Medisti on 28 January 2018
Errorist76 said:
Medisti said:

If you all want to like VR, that's great. Have fun with it. But I see no reason to every do something again when it made me ill. This is like saying, "You got food poisoning from that place? It was just a one-time thing." Maybe it was, but the majority of people would never eat there again because their brains associate that place with the feeling of being sick.

 

But there is actually a lot of truth to it. Only few people really have a physical condition which makes them unable to enjoy VR. 


For the vast majority it's all about getting used to it in small steps. I was lucky, I could go all in right from the start, which isn't that common either, still...
There are many types of VR games and experiences and especially those with free movement option should be avoided, or at least using some of the several helper tools to counter motion sickness, if you're a beginner. 

You have to be careful not to overdo it, because if you do, you will experience what you likely have experienced..a long period of recovery and some type of aversion. Same as if you were drunk as fuck, you won't like alcohol for a while...but would you never drink alcohol again?!

If you get the chance to retry it, I'd start with stationary experiences or those with teleporting options and then move on from there. Stuff like Thumper should be fine too...or Bound, where the camera is stuck to one place. 

I know Oculus has a "comfort rating" in its shop...PSVR could definitely need something like this.

 

Oh, and another thing: Stuff like correct calibration on your eye distance can be incredibly important for your comfort level!

If I have to "get used to it" then I'm not going to do it. And neither will the majority of people. First impressions really are important. It's like how I was perfectly fine with the 3D on the 3DS but most people didn't want to get used to it and turned it off.



Errorist76 on 28 January 2018
Medisti said:
Errorist76 said:

 

But there is actually a lot of truth to it. Only few people really have a physical condition which makes them unable to enjoy VR. 


For the vast majority it's all about getting used to it in small steps. I was lucky, I could go all in right from the start, which isn't that common either, still...
There are many types of VR games and experiences and especially those with free movement option should be avoided, or at least using some of the several helper tools to counter motion sickness, if you're a beginner. 

You have to be careful not to overdo it, because if you do, you will experience what you likely have experienced..a long period of recovery and some type of aversion. Same as if you were drunk as fuck, you won't like alcohol for a while...but would you never drink alcohol again?!

If you get the chance to retry it, I'd start with stationary experiences or those with teleporting options and then move on from there. Stuff like Thumper should be fine too...or Bound, where the camera is stuck to one place. 

I know Oculus has a "comfort rating" in its shop...PSVR could definitely need something like this.

 

Oh, and another thing: Stuff like correct calibration on your eye distance can be incredibly important for your comfort level!

If I have to "get used to it" then I'm not going to do it. And neither will the majority of people. First impressions really are important. It's like how I was perfectly fine with the 3D on the 3DS but most people didn't want to get used to it and turned it off.

I've demoed it to like 10 or so people atm and like 50% of them got slightly dizzy after a longer period of play...but all of them wanted to play again. It's about making pauses after a certain period of play.

Btw people also got motion sick from playing Doom back then...your body adapts quite easily to new experiences.

Like I said, it's possible you belong to the small minority which can't adapt. Are you prone to motion sickness anyway? What did you play? How long did it take for you to feel sick and how long did it last? Sry if you've already stated that somewhere else..

And hey, if you're not WILLING to adapt to it, then it's a lost cause...then it simply isn't for you, if the benefits aren't worth it for you.



zorg1000 on 28 January 2018

This must be how the OP feels

VR users-Jews

Non VR users-Nazis

 

 

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JWeinCom on 28 January 2018
Azuren said:
JWeinCom said:

On its own, no, it's not spam.  When the user is constantly creating topics about the same exact thing, then it becomes spam.

Still going to have to disagree. I don't believe that a thought out post should get lumped in with spammy posts just because the poster is the same person.

Spam is not just what you say, but also where and when you say it.  

In this case, the OP made a topic about selling people on VR literally within an hour of making this topic about selling people on VR.   In addition to another topic he made about VR.  And another topic he was posting in about how "VR isn't a gimmick".  

This post could have easily fit into any one of those already ongoing threads.  Add in the fact that he keeps insisting that anyone who doesn't like VR hasn't tried it and that nobody who uses it has ever disliked it, and I'm pretty sure this is a troll account.