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Chris Hu on 20 January 2018
Birimbau said:

One year and the dems are still crying. I'm a libertarian thus I don't like republicans nor democrats, but the dems with the help of the mainstream media have become absolutely disgusting, trying desperately to censor any opposing voice.

LOL you keep telling yourself that and maybe it becomes true.  But in the real world the Orange in Chief is trying to change the libel laws when was the last time someone on the left was trying to change laws that put restrictions on free speech.  



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thismeintiel on 20 January 2018
Chris Hu said:
thismeintiel said:

Definitely agree. Though, it's ridiculous that the government basically forced their way into it, instead of staying how it used to be with communities helping each other out. Now, we barely know our neighbors and the first sign of trouble we turn to the government. It just gives them too much power and money. Money that doesn't always get put to good use. 

Also, no wackos on the left? Guess he is completely oblivious to his own side, which is dangerous. Guess the guy who tried to murder a bunch of Republicans at a baseball game doesn't count. Or some of the nut jobs in BLM shouting about roasting cops. Or those in the Black Panthers talking about killing white babies. And when you have mainstream Democrats talking with extreme rhetoric, that their actions prove that they don't believe themselves, about how Republicans are murdering people and the earth with their policies, it's no wonder there are so many extremists on that side. 

You are talking about fringe movements on the left.  Anyway the fringe on the right is far worse since it includes the KKK the alt right and various other hate groups.

The KKK was started by Democrats. Many Democrats were part of the KKK just 50-60 years ago, leading the resistance of the civil rights movement.  Many in thealt-right are pushing for socialist ideals, not something the right embraces. Same goes for Neo-Nazis. Nice try rewriting history, though. 



 

Chris Hu on 20 January 2018

The key word is "were" nice try anyway.



Aeolus451 on 20 January 2018
Chris Hu said:
thismeintiel said:

Definitely agree. Though, it's ridiculous that the government basically forced their way into it, instead of staying how it used to be with communities helping each other out. Now, we barely know our neighbors and the first sign of trouble we turn to the government. It just gives them too much power and money. Money that doesn't always get put to good use. 

Also, no wackos on the left? Guess he is completely oblivious to his own side, which is dangerous. Guess the guy who tried to murder a bunch of Republicans at a baseball game doesn't count. Or some of the nut jobs in BLM shouting about roasting cops. Or those in the Black Panthers talking about killing white babies. And when you have mainstream Democrats talking with extreme rhetoric, that their actions prove that they don't believe themselves, about how Republicans are murdering people and the earth with their policies, it's no wonder there are so many extremists on that side. 

You are talking about fringe movements on the left.  Anyway the fringe on the right is far worse since it includes the KKK the alt right and various other hate groups.

Uh huh. The kkk isn't political based and is not a part of the right or left. The alt right doesn't hold any power nor do they have any shot at it. They are shunned by everyone.

The extreme left or alt left isn't condemned by most of the left and they hold positions of power where have a shot at implementing their ideas. They are also good at recruiting.  There's a lot of teachers that are far left and who trying to persuade kids and young adults to become socialists or activists of some kind. Take that BAMN leader for example or that bike lock professor.

Which sounds more realistically dangerous to people? 



Aeolus451 on 20 January 2018
Chris Hu said:
Birimbau said:

One year and the dems are still crying. I'm a libertarian thus I don't like republicans nor democrats, but the dems with the help of the mainstream media have become absolutely disgusting, trying desperately to censor any opposing voice.

LOL you keep telling yourself that and maybe it becomes true.  But in the real world the Orange in Chief is trying to change the libel laws when was the last time someone on the left was trying to change laws that put restrictions on free speech.  

Do you live in a hole or something? There's protests by leftist people almost every time right leaning people are gonna speak somewhere or when there's a rally so they can silence them. ANTIFA has been fairly busy doing that and busting up everything because they call virtually all right leaning people nazis. There's the sjw portion of the left that wants to limit free speech by including "offensive speech" as hate speech.



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Errorist76 on 20 January 2018
Aeolus451 said:
Chris Hu said:

I don't get why the right wants to bash the left all the time there is nobody nuttier on the left then Alex Jones and nobody sleazier then Rush Limbaugh.  Plus on top of all that there is nobody on the left that tries to sell you snake oil like Alex Jones does.

Do you listen to or read any news? Do you not see or hear the comments that most celebrities make? Eminem? Kathy Griffin? Shia Lebeouf? What about all the protests? How about politician's like Bernie who wants socialism?

You do realise that some of the countries with the highest standard of living on this planet do have socialist democratic systems?!

 

Aeolus451 said: 
Chris Hu said: 

There is already massive amount of socialism in the US just the wrong kind since its mostly in the form of massive bailouts and unnecessary subsidies.  But keep on listing to snake oil sales people and religious hypocrites if that what makes you happy more power to you.   

Sure, we have social safety nets but none could be called socialism. Those programs can be attributed to good ol' fashioned human decency. Down on your luck? Sure, we'll help out for a bit. That's just trying to be to your fellow countryman. Corporate bail outs aren't socialism unless it leads to the government owning the company they gave it to.

Socialism is what Venezuela attempted by seizing companies and turning it into such a 💩 that people ate all of their pets. Equality in squalor. Btw,  just to clarify I'm not saying the people there are bad but their leaders are.

Exactly, so don’t exaggerate in trying to compare what Bernie wants with your idea of socialism.

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Chris Hu on 20 January 2018

Just because the KKK isn't political based doesn't mean its not a part of the right.  And nobody on the extreme left is holding any political power.  Also there is nothing wrong with becoming socially active because you might not know it but we live in a pretty fucked up world with a lot of problems.  If you genuinely care about something there is nothing wrong with becoming socially active about it but unfortunately there are a lot of people that only care about certain issues to become more famous or popular.   



Aeolus451 on 20 January 2018
Errorist76 said:
Aeolus451 said:

Do you listen to or read any news? Do you not see or hear the comments that most celebrities make? Eminem? Kathy Griffin? Shia Lebeouf? What about all the protests? How about politician's like Bernie who wants socialism?

You do realise that some of the countries with the highest standard of living on this planet do have socialist democratic systems?!

 

Aeolus451 said: 

Sure, we have social safety nets but none could be called socialism. Those programs can be attributed to good ol' fashioned human decency. Down on your luck? Sure, we'll help out for a bit. That's just trying to be to your fellow countryman. Corporate bail outs aren't socialism unless it leads to the government owning the company they gave it to.

Socialism is what Venezuela attempted by seizing companies and turning it into such a 💩 that people ate all of their pets. Equality in squalor. Btw,  just to clarify I'm not saying the people there are bad but their leaders are.

Exactly, so don’t exaggerate in trying to compare what Bernie wants with your idea of socialism.

Which countries?

Bernie has proposed and supported socialism. He has a long history of it. He wants actual socialism.



Aeolus451 on 20 January 2018
Chris Hu said:

Just because the KKK isn't political based doesn't mean its not a part of the right.  And nobody on the extreme left is holding any political power.  Also there is nothing wrong with becoming socially active because you might not know it but we live in a pretty fucked up world with a lot of problems.  If you genuinely care about something there is nothing wrong with becoming socially active about it but unfortunately there are a lot of people that only care about certain issues to become more famous or popular.   

Revisionist galore. The far left holds no political power? 😹 



Leadified on 20 January 2018
Aeolus451 said:
Errorist76 said:

You do realise that some of the countries with the highest standard of living on this planet do have socialist democratic systems?!

 

Exactly, so don’t exaggerate in trying to compare what Bernie wants with your idea of socialism.

Which countries?

Bernie has proposed and supported socialism. He has a long history of it. He wants actual socialism.

Most Western countries are social democracies, although calling a social democracy socialist is bound to piss some people off since current social democracies are neoliberal.

Bernie Sanders considers himself to be a democratic socialist but during the election what Sanders describes just sounds like basic social democracy. If by "actual socialism" you mean Marxism then Sanders is doing a poor job at being a Marxist, if not then we need a definition of socialism here.