Aura7541 said:
o_O.Q said:
which i did not at any point make a comment on
well they kind of did by funding, training and arming the groups that these rebels sprang from
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This is not a rebuttal and more of an admission of your ignorance of the nuances of the situation that show that the Syrian conflict was initiated by religious extremism that was subsequently exacerbated by intervention. The second part of your response only supports my point that the US contributed to the worsening of the Syrian conflict, but not the initiation.
but you can't prove that it did not
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The burden of proof falls on the person making the positive claim. You also have yet to prove that there is a cause and effect between prayer and the subsequent event that occurs. Already, I have observed that you are only nitpicking certain parts of my points while you do not address the entirety of them. What you are doing is completely lazy.
no to quote myself
""the point i made is that climate change is caused as a result of science in terms of the current global warming trends""
i didn't deny that climate is in constant flux but i did say that our current conditions are a consequence of science
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Again, you are deliberately omitting specificity. Our current conditions are a consequence of the what of science?
but that's irrelevant to the statement that our current trends in global warming have been caused by science, do you agree with this claim or disagree?
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And this is another pivot that I will not bite on. You assert that it is not irrelevant to the statement, but fail of explain why. Overall, your argument is equivalent to claiming that guns kill people. Just because guns have the capacity to kill people doesn't mean that they do the action. The same applies to science. It has the ability to cause climate change, but it cannot do the action. As a mentioned multiple times, it is because of the people's overuse of certain products of science that caused climate change. The fault lies on the "wielder", not the "weapon". Do you agree or disagree that the cause of global warming is more to do with the people abusing certain products of science than just science itself?
"Your argument also seems to make the errant assumption that only religion can be the regulatory factor. Obviously, there are multiple ways to limit the influence of science."
it does not
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So do you agree that religion is not the only regulatory factor? Do you agree that there are many other alternatives?
uh both? can you explain how its incorrect to state that science has produced our current global warming trends?
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See my 4th paragraph. Science cannot do actions.
but that's irrelevant to the statement that our current trends in global warming have been caused by science, do you agree with this claim or disagree?
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Again, I will point to my 4th paragraph.
the time periods during which the events i described occurred? there's no need to be specific once we agree that these events happened right? that's all the claim hinges on, that these events did happen
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There is a need to be specific because we need to understand the contexts of these events. If your claim only hinges on that the events did happen, then once again, this is another ad hoc fallacy. Your arguments continue to rely on correlation rather than causation, hence why I asked for specificity so we can determine the causes.
because both were wrong
because it obviously can't be specified further because humans are seemingly infinitely limited
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Another empty assertion where you do not explain your side of the debate. "Nuh-uh" is not an argument. The same applies to the second part. What makes it "obvious" that it cannot be specified further? How is it "obvious" when humans are "seemingly" infinitely limited? I don't even need to break this poor excuse of an argument piece by piece. It instantly fell apart when you contradicted a definitive statement with a qualifier.
Addendum - Because your arguments are dependent on being general and not being specific, I will not respond any further because you have shown that you do not want to be specific when asked to be. I will just let other people read the exchange and let them make their judgments on whose points were better supported. Have a wonderful day.
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"This is not a rebuttal and more of an admission of your ignorance of the nuances of the situation that show that the Syrian conflict was initiated by religious extremism that was subsequently exacerbated by intervention. The second part of your response only supports my point that the US contributed to the worsening of the Syrian conflict, but not the initiation."
this was your initial claim
"Syria's turmoil was largely caused by the uprising of extreme Islamism prior to the US's interventionist proxy war.""
i disproved it and now you're rewording it to talk about initiation
the turmoil was caused for the most part by the united states adding fuel to the fire they had already started decades earlier
had the united states not intervened the rebels would have had no chance against the government and the united states acknowledged this by claiming that the syrian rebels were being oppressed
kind of sick how you're dishonestly trying to defend the actions of the united states(and failing) here but whatever
"What you are doing is completely lazy."
it was a joke, i figured you'd have realised by now
"Again, you are deliberately omitting specificity. Our current conditions are a consequence of the what of science?"
my argument is not contingent on being specific
this is like me saying i got bit by a dog and you asking which teeth in the dog's mouth caused the damage to establish the fact that i got bit by a dog... you'd consider something like that to be ridiculously stupid right?
"You assert that it is not irrelevant to the statement"
because its not relevant
" Just because guns have the capacity to kill people doesn't mean that they do the action"
"The fault lies on the "wielder", not the "weapon". "
true, and without the weapon the wielder cannot carry out the action
are you for gun control?
"Do you agree or disagree that the cause of global warming is more to do with the people abusing certain products of science than just science itself?"
why should i answer this question when you've refused to answer mine - "do you agree that science has caused the current levels of global warming we are experiencing""
"So do you agree that religion is not the only regulatory factor? Do you agree that there are many other alternatives?"
yes, did i claim otherwise? if not, why ask this question?
"See my 4th paragraph. Science cannot do actions."
science is an action that results in technology... lmao
"Your arguments continue to rely on correlation rather than causation, hence why I asked for specificity so we can determine the causes."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm_GPkOfVKI
you've gone off the deep end mate
you just asked me to provide a time period to evaluate the cause? its historical fact that blood letting happened wtf lol
"Another empty assertion where you do not explain your side of the debate."
saying that humans are limited is something anyone that understand what limited means would agree to
"I will not respond any further because you have shown that you do not want to be specific when asked to be."
you have been entertaining, thank you