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Miyamotoo said:
Well it is until now, if 2017. will be all time peak PS4 year, we will see this year beacuse IMO 2017. or 2018. will be peak PS4 year.

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StreaK said:
PS consoles just keep on selling over time. They NEVER release with a must have title and still perform great numbers because the console itself is a selling factor due to it being more than just a console - music (spotify), movies (bluray, netflix, amazon video), photo viewer - well, it's all there. I still see the PS4 selling 130+ million with all the big name titles coming out in the future.

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watching the 2018 games, i think it will be this year, never saw a better line-up



Lineup looks weaker this year than last year.. so in terms of software I doubt it. Unles something massive comes along ofc.

As for hardware... if they sell the hardware at a great price for a long period of the year,, sure.



axumblade said:
DonFerrari said:

Talking about HW sales as well? If PS4 peak in 2018 that will be quite a big feat.

If Sony do a price drop on either SKU officially it has a chance. Not 100% convinced it'll hit the mark without one but it does have a great exclusive software lineup to keep the hardware up there.

Yep a price cut is possible and it could enable the peak on 2018. But as you said it isn't certain, but on the SW it may be one of the best years so far.



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ZODIARKrebirth said:
watching the 2018 games, i think it will be this year, never saw a better line-up

 

Mbolibombo said:
Lineup looks weaker this year than last year.. so in terms of software I doubt it. Unles something massive comes along ofc.

As for hardware... if they sell the hardware at a great price for a long period of the year,, sure.

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2017 : Gravity rush 2, GT-Sports ,WipeOut Omega collection, NioH, Nier Automata, Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy, Persona 5, Yakuza 0, Horizon Zero Dawn.    Kingdom Hearts 2.8, Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 + 2.5 ReMIX, Tales of Berseria, Digimon World: Next Order, Danganronpa 1&2 Reload, MLB The Show 17..... too many to list.

2018 : God of War, Marvel's Spiderman, Monster Hunter World , Shadow of the colossus, Last of US part 2, Days Gone, Detroit become human, Dissidia Final Fantasy NT, Yakuza 6, Secrets of Mana, Dreams, Wild, Ni No Kuni 2, Shenmue 3, Dragon Quest XI - Echoes of An Elusive Age, World War Z, Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth - Hacker's Memory, The Inpatient, Atelier Lydie & Suelle: The Alchemists and the Mysterious Paintings, Boundless, Concrete Genie, crossing souls, Dollhouse, Donut County, Drifter, Eitr, Fantasy Strike, Fighting EX Layer, Little Witch Academia: Chamber of Time, Left Alive, Loot Rascals.... and more more smaller titles.

Both years will be good, but 2018 probably has more "star" power.



JRPGfan said:
ZODIARKrebirth said:
watching the 2018 games, i think it will be this year, never saw a better line-up

 

Mbolibombo said:
Lineup looks weaker this year than last year.. so in terms of software I doubt it. Unles something massive comes along ofc.

As for hardware... if they sell the hardware at a great price for a long period of the year,, sure.

*remembers the "this is neogaf" meme's*

2017 : Gravity rush 2, GT-Sports ,WipeOut Omega collection, NioH, Nier Automata, Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy, Persona 5, Yakuza 0, Horizon Zero Dawn.    Kingdom Hearts 2.8, Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 + 2.5 ReMIX, Tales of Berseria, Digimon World: Next Order, Danganronpa 1&2 Reload, MLB The Show 17..... too many to list.

2018 : God of War, Marvel's Spiderman, Monster Hunter World , Shadow of the colossus, Last of US part 2, Days Gone, Detroit become human, Dissidia Final Fantasy NT, Yakuza 6, Secrets of Mana, Dreams, Wild, Ni No Kuni 2, Shenmue 3, Dragon Quest XI - Echoes of An Elusive Age, World War Z, Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth - Hacker's Memory, The Inpatient, Atelier Lydie & Suelle: The Alchemists and the Mysterious Paintings, Boundless, Concrete Genie, crossing souls, Dollhouse, Donut County, Drifter, Eitr, Fantasy Strike, Fighting EX Layer, Little Witch Academia: Chamber of Time, Left Alive, Loot Rascals.... and more more smaller titles.

Both years will be good, but 2018 probably has more "star" power.

Don’t forget red dead redemption 2, it’s gonna sell very well for sure. I know it’s third party but it has a marketing deal with Sony, same for far cry 5, going to shift units. 



For hardware? Possible, but unlikely. While we haven't gotten the official 2017 year-end sales total yet from Sony, it's probably at no less than 74M units. At this point, Sony is running out of new customers to sell the PS4 to. No other system has ever sold this much prior to peaking.

Also, there is no reason to think that a $199 PS4 will necessarily sell better than a $299 PS4. Eventually, price cuts stop resulting in growth. At best, they may provide a modest, very short-term boost but don't negate the overall downward trend in sales. The PS2 sold better at $199 than it ever did at any lower price. In fact, it was selling better at its original $299 price than it did at $179 or $149. The PS3 was selling better at $299 than it did at $249. We see this with other non-PlayStation systems as well. They all eventually reach a "sweet spot" price at which they do the best, and all subsequent price cuts fail to replicate the same effect. Price cuts yield diminishing returns after a certain point.

As for software, many years of hardware sales figures demonstrate that individual games are at best a very short-term boost, usually helping sales for a month at best. And very, very few games have demonstrated their capacity for moving hardware. There is no evidence that simply having a good games lineup in a given year will help a system sell better than any other year. There's no reason to think that a lineup including God of War, Spider-Man, the SotC remake, Detroit, Monster Hunter World, Kingdom Hearts III, RDR2, Far Cry 5, and Soulcalibur VI, despite how solid it is, will produce better sales than the equally strong lineups seen in past years.

The two general rules for software as they pertain to hardware sales are A) having a strong lineup, especially from third parties, is important for a system's overall health, and B) individual games only help in the short term, and even then very few move any measurable amount of hardware. The PS4 was already going to do well in the first category, having a solid selection of exclusives and the full support of all the major third parties. As for the second, the biggest system-seller the PS4 has had to date was the first Destiny game. Nothing else comes even remotely close, at least in the West.

Could the PS4 sell better this year than it did last year? Sure. I cannot rule out that possibility. But I don't think it's a given, and in fact I think it's unlikely.



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Mbolibombo said:
Lineup looks weaker this year than last year.. 

Definitely not.



                                                                                                                                                           

Shadow1980 said:
For hardware? Possible, but unlikely. While we haven't gotten the official 2017 year-end sales total yet from Sony, it's probably at no less than 74M units. At this point, Sony is running out of new customers to sell the PS4 to. No other system has ever sold this much prior to peaking.

Also, there is no reason to think that a $199 PS4 will necessarily sell better than a $299 PS4. Eventually, price cuts stop resulting in growth. At best, they may provide a modest, very short-term boost but don't negate the overall downward trend in sales. The PS2 sold better at $199 than it ever did at any lower price. In fact, it was selling better at its original $299 price than it did at $179 or $149. The PS3 was selling better at $299 than it did at $249. We see this with other non-PlayStation systems as well. They all eventually reach a "sweet spot" price at which they do the best, and all subsequent price cuts fail to replicate the same effect. Price cuts yield diminishing returns after a certain point.

As for software, many years of hardware sales figures demonstrate that individual games are at best a very short-term boost, usually helping sales for a month at best. And very, very few games have demonstrated their capacity for moving hardware. There is no evidence that simply having a good games lineup in a given year will help a system sell better than any other year. There's no reason to think that a lineup including God of War, Spider-Man, the SotC remake, Detroit, Monster Hunter World, Kingdom Hearts III, RDR2, Far Cry 5, and Soulcalibur VI, despite how solid it is, will produce better sales than the equally strong lineups seen in past years.

The two general rules for software as they pertain to hardware sales are A) having a strong lineup, especially from third parties, is important for a system's overall health, and B) individual games only help in the short term, and even then very few move any measurable amount of hardware. The PS4 was already going to do well in the first category, having a solid selection of exclusives and the full support of all the major third parties. As for the second, the biggest system-seller the PS4 has had to date was the first Destiny game. Nothing else comes even remotely close, at least in the West.

Could the PS4 sell better this year than it did last year? Sure. I cannot rule out that possibility. But I don't think it's a given, and in fact I think it's unlikely.

I'm inclined to agree with you.

My dear number cruncher... could you please put a graph for the aligned sales (date of first release and aligned per region option) for PS2, Wii and PS4?



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