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quickrick on 08 January 2018
StarDoor said:
quickrick said:

lol Talking about twisting logic to fit your perspective. just because  you have a couple of cases of consoles starting great doesn't mean it will always be like that. wii could have died much earlier, just look at japan is started out like a monster, only sold 12 million ltd. same for N64 in America.

If you think that Rol is "twisting logic" by merely analyzing historical sales trends, the only thing it proves is that you can't understand simple facts about the gaming industry. N64 got a $50 price cut only six months into its life, so by bringing it up, you actually strengthen Rol's point. The only way that your stance makes sense is if you believe that the price of a console has literally zero impact on its sales. You think what Rol said was illogical? Try looking in a mirror.

wow playstation got 100$ price cut  5 months after release and  went on to sell 38 million in the US. so stop using the excuse price cut means the system can't sell well. ds also got a price drop soon after launch, we can say the same for the 3ds, just because it got a price drop to what the ds launch price was, doesn't mean it could sell near ds levels.

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Pillertriller on 08 January 2018
PortisheadBiscuit said:
quickrick said:

I never said it's invalid, i'm just saying that just because switch started  off strong doesn't mean it's  it's guaranteed  to sell like wii, ps2, and ps4.

But you keep bringing up N64 and liking Switch's launch to that, even though Switch trajectory is almost parallel to PS4 in it's launch year. Pushing a narrative that Switch will underwhelming sales, like you always do 

You Nintendo guys overstimate the switch first year, it had three of nintendos biggest franchises and a new  franchise, and a mk rehash, and the system wasnt be able to reach ps4 numbers, and dont come with stock issues excuse lol. The PS4 had nothing special in its first year and still sold 10 million units faster than the switch. Sorry to say that but switch probably wont have another year with such big and succesessful titles like in its first year. So its pretty realistic that the switch maybe already had one of its biggest / best years. 



PortisheadBiscuit on 08 January 2018
Pillertriller said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

But you keep bringing up N64 and liking Switch's launch to that, even though Switch trajectory is almost parallel to PS4 in it's launch year. Pushing a narrative that Switch will underwhelming sales, like you always do 

 So its pretty realistic that the switch maybe already had one of its biggest / best years. 

How is this realistic when history shows consoles USUALLY do not peak in the first year? What is your proclamation based on other than speculation? 



quickrick on 08 January 2018
PortisheadBiscuit said:
Pillertriller said:

 So its pretty realistic that the switch maybe already had one of its biggest / best years. 

How is this realistic when history shows consoles USUALLY do not peak in the first year? What is your proclamation based on other than speculation? 

the main reason most consoles don't peak in there first year, is supply issues, rushed holiday launch with not enough stock, but consoles not very successful  could easily peak in there first year.



Lonely_Dolphin on 08 January 2018
Pillertriller said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

But you keep bringing up N64 and liking Switch's launch to that, even though Switch trajectory is almost parallel to PS4 in it's launch year. Pushing a narrative that Switch will underwhelming sales, like you always do 

You Nintendo guys overstimate the switch first year, it had three of nintendos biggest franchises and a new  franchise, and a mk rehash, and the system wasnt be able to reach ps4 numbers, and dont come with stock issues excuse lol. The PS4 had nothing special in its first year and still sold 10 million units faster than the switch. Sorry to say that but switch probably wont have another year with such big and succesessful titles like in its first year. So its pretty realistic that the switch maybe already had one of its biggest / best years. 

Heh, you sound pretty uncertain there. My confidence however is at the up most! The Wii also had Zelda n 3D Mario among many other games in it's first year, and yet that was not it's peak. There are plenty of big name games still, namely Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Smash, and 2D Mario, aswell as bundles/price-cuts/remodels to be made, so the Switch is pretty much guaranteed to have years bigger than the first.



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StarDoor on 08 January 2018
quickrick said:
StarDoor said:

If you think that Rol is "twisting logic" by merely analyzing historical sales trends, the only thing it proves is that you can't understand simple facts about the gaming industry. N64 got a $50 price cut only six months into its life, so by bringing it up, you actually strengthen Rol's point. The only way that your stance makes sense is if you believe that the price of a console has literally zero impact on its sales. You think what Rol said was illogical? Try looking in a mirror.

wow playstation got 100$ price cut  5 months after release and  went on to sell 38 million in the US. so stop using the excuse price cut means the system can't sell well. ds also got a price drop soon after launch

Wow, so you legitimately did not comprehend what Rol said at all.

He did not say anything about consoles that started off with low momentum, like PS1 and DS. Consoles can start off slowly and then accelerate and sell well anyways, despite a poor start.

He did say that consoles do not start off with high momentum and then fizzle out with low lifetime sales.

Do you understand? PS1 and DS are irrelevant to this conversation, because Switch started off with strong sales, while those consoles started off with poor sales. N64 and 3DS are illogical comparisons, because they needed early price cuts to keep selling. They had strong first years by sacrificing their later years, because that's what price cuts do: They push a console's sales curve forward.



Pillertriller on 08 January 2018
Lonely_Dolphin said:
Pillertriller said:

You Nintendo guys overstimate the switch first year, it had three of nintendos biggest franchises and a new  franchise, and a mk rehash, and the system wasnt be able to reach ps4 numbers, and dont come with stock issues excuse lol. The PS4 had nothing special in its first year and still sold 10 million units faster than the switch. Sorry to say that but switch probably wont have another year with such big and succesessful titles like in its first year. So its pretty realistic that the switch maybe already had one of its biggest / best years. 

Heh, you sound pretty uncertain there. My confidence however is at the up most! The Wii also had Zelda n 3D Mario among many other games in it's first year, and yet that was not it's peak. There are plenty of big name games still, namely Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Smash, and 2D Mario, aswell as bundles/price-cuts/remodels to be made, so the Switch is pretty much guaranteed to have years bigger than the first.

You cant bring wii here mate, Wii only sold so good because the wiimote stuff. 50% of the owners was people just wanted to try this new motion stuff, most of them wasnt even gamers. Switch doesnt have that hype the wii had.



quickrick on 08 January 2018
StarDoor said:
quickrick said:

wow playstation got 100$ price cut  5 months after release and  went on to sell 38 million in the US. so stop using the excuse price cut means the system can't sell well. ds also got a price drop soon after launch

Wow, so you legitimately did not comprehend what Rol said at all.

He did not say anything about consoles that started off with low momentum, like PS1 and DS. Consoles can start off slowly and then accelerate and sell well anyways, despite a poor start.

He did say that consoles do not start off with high momentum and then fizzle out with low lifetime sales.

Do you understand? PS1 and DS are irrelevant to this conversation, because Switch started off with strong sales, while those consoles started off with poor sales. N64 and 3DS are illogical comparisons, because they needed early price cuts to keep selling. They had strong first years by sacrificing their later years, because that's what price cuts do: They push a console's sales curve forward.

not really 3ds could have it 170$ which was near ds price, and sold like the ds, that could have been the magic price, it's what ds launched, and kept on selling .



quickrick on 08 January 2018
CGI-Quality said:
Pillertriller said:

You cant bring wii here mate, Wii only sold so good because the wiimote stuff. 50% of the owners was people just wanted to try this new motion stuff, most of them wasnt even gamers. Switch doesnt have that hype the wii had.

Yet, it continues to shatter even Nintendo's expectations. So, what can we deduce? Either their properties are causing system sale spikes, they have just the right price for such a device, or both. Regardless of the choice, Nintendo looks good out of it.

it's not really selling anywhere near the wii though. you can just look at monthly sales. comparisons are good now because wii launch holiday had no stock to even get a holiday boost.



TheBlackNaruto on 08 January 2018

More numbers sweet! PS4 still killing it I see! Nice numbers for the Switch and XB1 as well! And okay PS4! Number one again in the US! Not bad at all.....2017 has been an amazing year for the PS4!!!



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