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Who are Rey’s parents?

Luke and ?? 4 12.50%
 
Han and Leia 3 9.38%
 
2 drunken peasants 17 53.13%
 
Chuck Norris 2 6.25%
 
Someone else 6 18.75%
 
Total:32
KLXVER said:
Ganoncrotch said:

That's what this movie was showing us, the Force wasn't just something for the Jedi to have and hold over others because they figured out how to wield it in battle, the Jedi are a single religious group who happen to give a name to the force and use it to push their beliefs much like the way the Sith do to counter their use of it. But basically the force exists for anyone who sits and listens to tap into it, some people are more naturally in tune with it but it's not genetic, it's just some people happen to be more connected with the will of the galaxy.

Reys parents, as they both said together in the film were nobodies, buried in a paupers grave already as they were just drunks, she is a nobody in relation to any of the previously established characters in the SW universe.

It just seem so random then. Why do they keep saying that they need to bring balance to the force when it can just pick whoever it feel will bring the balance and give them the powers? It kinda takes away the whole point of the original trilogy. Just that the Jedis were some kind of cult and training means fuck all. That Rey who was picked by the force is just good, but the jedis was always warned about the dark side of the force and had a hard time controlling it. I don't know. Seems kinda silly to me. 

Catholics are warned about Protestants here. Both believe in more or less the same thing but one side believes the other is using the belief wrong.



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Ganoncrotch said:
KLXVER said:

It just seem so random then. Why do they keep saying that they need to bring balance to the force when it can just pick whoever it feel will bring the balance and give them the powers? It kinda takes away the whole point of the original trilogy. Just that the Jedis were some kind of cult and training means fuck all. That Rey who was picked by the force is just good, but the jedis was always warned about the dark side of the force and had a hard time controlling it. I don't know. Seems kinda silly to me. 

Catholics are warned about Protestants here. Both believe in more or less the same thing but one side believes the other is using the belief wrong.

Well according to TLJ, both are wrong. The force just does everything itself. Whats the point of SW anymore? Will it just be random people fighting other random people from now on? Theres no lore anymore.



Lol. Love the chuck Norris option.



KLXVER said:
Ganoncrotch said:

Catholics are warned about Protestants here. Both believe in more or less the same thing but one side believes the other is using the belief wrong.

Well according to TLJ, both are wrong. The force just does everything itself. Whats the point of SW anymore? Will it just be random people fighting other random people from now on? Theres no lore anymore.

It's not that both are wrong, you misunderstood the movie completely, both are correct, it's just a case of Jedi had formed a robe wearing good guy cult utilizing the powers that they could understand and how to "use the force" to achieve their goals, Sith understood enough to utilize the energies and flow of the universe to gain themselves power and abilities over others who didn't understand it. Both were correct in what they understood of it and as per the prequel trilogy we see that both sides very much were capable of making disastrous mistakes with what they believed to be true.

While the Sith appear as evil because they turned away people who they didn't deem powerful enough to learn their ways.... so did the Jedi but based on different factors such as blood tests for what they thought made people more connected with the force.

Both Catholics and Protestants could be correct about the afterlife but equally both will likely have some aspects of it wrong (if they've any correct at all) but just because how they believe in a God is different slightly, doesn't make the God they both believe in to be untrue, just that they're both looking at the same thing from two sides of view.

That's what I took TLJ to be telling us, that basically Jedi teachings are just a way of using the force for good... but Jedi is just a name for a religion who got stuff wrong, same as all religious groups, that while they were right in ways, they were wrong in others and also just right on a little part of a bigger picture which they didn't fully understand.



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Well two things can happen.

They do the right thing and explain were she come from as her freakish abilities without training.

Surely it must lead to some strong bloodline, perhaps one of the founding members? Perhaps they pulled a Luke and hid away and never revealed the truth to their child and it has been like that for generations, so perhaps her parents lived as commoners as they didn't know.

Or they do a Disney and not explain anything lol.



 

 

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Ganoncrotch said:
KLXVER said:

Well according to TLJ, both are wrong. The force just does everything itself. Whats the point of SW anymore? Will it just be random people fighting other random people from now on? Theres no lore anymore.

It's not that both are wrong, you misunderstood the movie completely, both are correct, it's just a case of Jedi had formed a robe wearing good guy cult utilizing the powers that they could understand and how to "use the force" to achieve their goals, Sith understood enough to utilize the energies and flow of the universe to gain themselves power and abilities over others who didn't understand it. Both were correct in what they understood of it and as per the prequel trilogy we see that both sides very much were capable of making disastrous mistakes with what they believed to be true.

While the Sith appear as evil because they turned away people who they didn't deem powerful enough to learn their ways.... so did the Jedi but based on different factors such as blood tests for what they thought made people more connected with the force.

Both Catholics and Protestants could be correct about the afterlife but equally both will likely have some aspects of it wrong (if they've any correct at all) but just because how they believe in a God is different slightly, doesn't make the God they both believe in to be untrue, just that they're both looking at the same thing from two sides of view.

That's what I took TLJ to be telling us, that basically Jedi teachings are just a way of using the force for good... but Jedi is just a name for a religion who got stuff wrong, same as all religious groups, that while they were right in ways, they were wrong in others and also just right on a little part of a bigger picture which they didn't fully understand.

That's fair enough, but what now? There are no rules. Theres no lineage anymore. All future movies and stories will just be a small dent in a vast universe. Good guy loses? So what? Another person will be given the force and continue the fight until good wins. Your father was a jedi? So what? Your neighbor might be more powerful than you. I just think they opened the door too much. But maybe it was already wide open for all I know. I haven't read every Star Wars story.



KLXVER said:
Ganoncrotch said:

It's not that both are wrong, you misunderstood the movie completely, both are correct, it's just a case of Jedi had formed a robe wearing good guy cult utilizing the powers that they could understand and how to "use the force" to achieve their goals, Sith understood enough to utilize the energies and flow of the universe to gain themselves power and abilities over others who didn't understand it. Both were correct in what they understood of it and as per the prequel trilogy we see that both sides very much were capable of making disastrous mistakes with what they believed to be true.

While the Sith appear as evil because they turned away people who they didn't deem powerful enough to learn their ways.... so did the Jedi but based on different factors such as blood tests for what they thought made people more connected with the force.

Both Catholics and Protestants could be correct about the afterlife but equally both will likely have some aspects of it wrong (if they've any correct at all) but just because how they believe in a God is different slightly, doesn't make the God they both believe in to be untrue, just that they're both looking at the same thing from two sides of view.

That's what I took TLJ to be telling us, that basically Jedi teachings are just a way of using the force for good... but Jedi is just a name for a religion who got stuff wrong, same as all religious groups, that while they were right in ways, they were wrong in others and also just right on a little part of a bigger picture which they didn't fully understand.

That's fair enough, but what now? There are no rules. Theres no lineage anymore. All future movies and stories will just be a small dent in a vast universe. Good guy loses? So what? Another person will be given the force and continue the fight until good wins. Your father was a jedi? So what? Your neighbor might be more powerful than you. I just think they opened the door too much. But maybe it was already wide open for all I know. I haven't read every Star Wars story.

He said it is what gives a Jedi his power, but he never said that the Force is something which only exists for use by the Jedi, you could say that the Sun gives a tree the energy it needs to grow... but that same Sun also helps all living things on the planet grow and exist.

I sort of rather it being opened up to allow others to utilize the force, but it's not like it wasn't in the Star Wars movies where someone would have a huge connection with the force but the Jedi not want to take them on board and just hope they lived their lives free of getting involved in the Jedi/Sith war, remember, the Jedi council did not want to train Anakin because he was deemed too old by the time they discovered him, what would they have wanted his life to be? Just lived out as a street urchin who was massively connected to the force which they trained to get as close to as possible.



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Ganoncrotch said:
KLXVER said:

That's fair enough, but what now? There are no rules. Theres no lineage anymore. All future movies and stories will just be a small dent in a vast universe. Good guy loses? So what? Another person will be given the force and continue the fight until good wins. Your father was a jedi? So what? Your neighbor might be more powerful than you. I just think they opened the door too much. But maybe it was already wide open for all I know. I haven't read every Star Wars story.

He said it is what gives a Jedi his power, but he never said that the Force is something which only exists for use by the Jedi, you could say that the Sun gives a tree the energy it needs to grow... but that same Sun also helps all living things on the planet grow and exist.

I sort of rather it being opened up to allow others to utilize the force, but it's not like it wasn't in the Star Wars movies where someone would have a huge connection with the force but the Jedi not want to take them on board and just hope they lived their lives free of getting involved in the Jedi/Sith war, remember, the Jedi council did not want to train Anakin because he was deemed too old by the time they discovered him, what would they have wanted his life to be? Just lived out as a street urchin who was massively connected to the force which they trained to get as close to as possible.

Others being able to use it to some degree is fine and dandy, but just wake up one day and you are more powerful than people who spent years training is a bit much.

They probably didn't want Anakin to have any knowledge of the potential he had. They didn't want to train someone that strong who could possibly turn on them one day. But that is made useless now anyway because people don't need training anymore.



It's already been stated in the movie and better for it to be the case that she came from nobodies.

On another note, the amount that Rey's character and this episode in general angers some SW "fans" is always hilarious.